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Work Programme Provider Pressure To Take Job
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...If you refuse to take a job offered by a Work Programme provider, can they stop your money?...
Yes!!! and it aint 'your' money - it's tax payers money & you only get it for 'job seeking' - if you dont 'job seek' they you are not entitled to it
Anyone who is on work programme is 'long term' unemployed
If anyone hasn't found a job themselves during alllllllll this time they aint going to get one - they obviously need someone else to 'make' them go to work, hence they can be sanctioned for staying homeWhen will the "Edit" and "Quote" button get fixed on the mobile web interface?0 -
Yes!!! and it aint 'your' money - it's tax payers money & you only get it for 'job seeking' - if you dont 'job seek' they you are not entitled to it
Anyone who is on work programme is 'long term' unemployed
If anyone hasn't found a job themselves during alllllllll this time they aint going to get one - they obviously need someone else to 'make' them go to work, hence they can be sanctioned for staying home
Ridiculous, i assume your working ? or not ?
Forcing people on the 'WP' is absurd for the people who are looking for work i mean the GOOD PEOPLE who's worked before not the chav's who play the system.
Also the JC are always dying to 'sanction' someone because it shows them good figures (one less of the JSA) .. and how the hell can they be sanctioned for staying AT THERE home? lol they can apply jobs at home doesn't mean they will get a warning/sanction
THE JC need to wake up.
WP is a farce anyway... can't see it lasting another year.• HSBC (Main A/C)
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Oh dear. Another self-sanctimonious anchor on the forums. Here's hoping you lose your job, and become a victim of the current jobs market and go on the Work Programme.Yes!!! and it aint 'your' money - it's tax payers money & you only get it for 'job seeking' - if you dont 'job seek' they you are not entitled to it
Besides, at the moment it is money for simply being unemployed. It just provides a convenient excuse to reduce money for the lazy. There are nowhere near enough jobs out there for all the unemployed, and as has already been jokingly addressed on this thread - employers are under no obligation to employ someone. Until they're obligated to employ people, then seeking work in itself is meaningless.Wanted a job, now have one. :beer:0 -
Crazy_Larry wrote: »Truegho, your WP advisor sounds a nightmare! People are right, though, he or she can sanction you - in fact, they can get a bonus for doing it. If I were you, I would go to the interview and give some really inappropriate answers to the questions. Why not let slip that you are recently out of jail, suffer long term mental health problems or something like that? I ain't jokin! Works every time for me.
Total rubbish! I work for a WP - I can assure you 100% there isn't any so called 'bonus' for santioning people. However regarding sanctions, this can happen for various reasons:-
1) Job Seekers do not attend pre-arranged interviews with us (without good reason).
2) Job Seekers do not attend interviews arranged by us (without good reason).
3) Job Seekers do not accept a job offer (without good reason).
The so called 'good reason' could be one (or more) of many reasons such as illness, bereavement etc. However, if the OP has been told to attend an interview for a night time post the only reason this post may be unacceptable would be due to the OP having a caring role (children, elderly parents etc) or it was more than an appropriate distance form the OP's home address. If they have no such responsibilities and the job was within acceptable mileage then they are deemed suitable for this position.
As an addition, I was told the other day by a JS I was speaking with that they would not get out of bed at 6am, to be on the road by 7am and not get home until 6pm for any job. My reply, 'Why not? That's what I do every day'!0 -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/08/jobcentres-benefits-sanctions-targetsTotal rubbish! I work for a WP - I can assure you 100% there isn't any so called 'bonus' for santioning people.
Hmm, and who is judge and jury on the reason1) Job Seekers do not attend pre-arranged interviews with us (without good reason).
2) Job Seekers do not attend interviews arranged by us (without good reason).
3) Job Seekers do not accept a job offer (without good reason).
The amount travel costs these days, on a minimum wage that amount of travelling just isn't worth it. You're lucky you're part of lucrative Government contracts and attract a higher wage than your JS would likely earn.As an addition, I was told the other day by a JS I was speaking with that they would not get out of bed at 6am, to be on the road by 7am and not get home until 6pm for any job. My reply, 'Why not? That's what I do every day'!Wanted a job, now have one. :beer:0 -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/08/jobcentres-benefits-sanctions-targets
I believe your Guardian quote refers to JCP employees and not Work Programme employees as suggested by Crazy_Larry. I have absolutely no idea how JCP operates (still have never heard of any such bonus scheme - may just be a figment of the lefty Guardian's imagination).
Hmm, and who is judge and jury on the reason
If I fail to attend work without good 'reason' ie. illness or bereavement (as indicated previously) I will also be 'sanctioned' - I will not be paid. If I persistently fail to attend work I will be 'sanctioned' - I will be fired.
The amount travel costs these days, on a minimum wage that amount of travelling just isn't worth it. You're lucky you're part of lucrative Government contracts and attract a higher wage than your JS would likely earn.
I don't think you fully understand how the Work Programme finance is implimented. The Government sub-contracts out to large providers such as ESG, SERCO, Pertemps etc. These providers then sub-contract out to LAs. I can assure you when the finance trickles down to the likes of me it certainly isn't 'lucrative' (have a google and see what the wage is). BTW, I travel 400 miles a week to work and back - yep at my own cost.
Additionally, we would never ask a JS to take a job where the travel costs would result in them being worse off than on benefits.0 -
The 'advisers' at my provider are on between £21-£24k and the BDC people can earn up to £30k! My provider does not sub contract out as I actually see them. Yeah grand total of 8 mins, the last time!I don't think you fully understand how the Work Programme finance is implimented. The Government sub-contracts out to large providers such as ESG, SERCO, Pertemps etc. These providers then sub-contract out to LAs. I can assure you when the finance trickles down to the likes of me it certainly isn't 'lucrative' (have a google and see what the wage is). BTW, I travel 400 miles a week to work and back - yep at my own cost.
Additionally, we would never ask a JS to take a job where the travel costs would result in them being worse off than on benefits.
Not bad for doing nothing at all and with no job satisfaction because they can not do anything right or anything at all to get someone a job.
The WP providers are not 'working' for their fees at all. If I get a job off my own back because I can assure you there is nothing at all the WP have done for me except pay my fares to get to their offices then they will get paid for what exactley? Hmmm tricky one that.0 -
As an addition, I was told the other day by a JS I was speaking with that they would not get out of bed at 6am, to be on the road by 7am and not get home until 6pm for any job. My reply, 'Why not? That's what I do every day'!
Some unemployed people do an excellent job of winding up the ignorant and useless oxygen stealers who 'work' for these scamming 'providers'.0 -
Oh dear. Another self-sanctimonious anchor on the forums. Here's hoping you lose your job, and become a victim of the current jobs market and go on the Work Programme..Yes!!! and it aint 'your' money - it's tax payers money & you only get it for 'job seeking' - if you dont 'job seek' they you are not entitled to it...
I haven't just expressed my 'opinion' (unlike you) - I stated a stone cold fact!!!!
Not to say everyone is the same - but lot of people think they are entitled to JSA if they stay in bed alllllllll day and watch Judge Judy - I'm in this business and I have heard more lame excuses than you have time for - Most shirkers are on work programme
Any evidence to suggest you are not actively 'seeking work' (refusing an interview) waives any entitlement to "JOB SEEKERS Allowance"
and just for your benefit - here it that FACT again:Yes!!! and it aint 'your' money - it's tax payers money & you only get it for 'job seeking' - if you dont 'job seek' they you are not entitled to it...
That's is why it's called "JOB SEEKERS Allowance"
FACT!!!!!!!!!When will the "Edit" and "Quote" button get fixed on the mobile web interface?0 -
"Jobseekers Allowance claimant expected to take a job" - shock horror!0
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