Cyclists not using hand signals

cyclonebri1

Norman_Castle wrote: »

Highways are maintained through general taxation. Just because there is a visible link between paying a tax and having a tax disc does not mean the road network is funded from the VED.

I never said it did, I said car drivers have to pay a "tax", cyclists don't, it's not difficuly to understand.

cyclonebri1

Throbbe wrote: »

Of course cyclists will have paid VAT on their bikes, so they too have paid a tax to use the roads ...

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Yep, and that's about the best argument that can be put, so sad :(:(:(:(:(:(

rev_henry

Throbbe wrote: »

Of course cyclists will have paid VAT on their bikes, so they too have paid a tax to use the roads ...

Like cars you mean? :rotfl:

Johnmcl7

thelawnet wrote: »

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=51310285&postcount=27

Very good post, made me smile and is entirely accurate.

I was going to say tax is based on emissions and the amount of fuel you use (more fuel, more tax paid) - my car costs the most tax, my medium motorbike less and my 125 is just £15 and also uses the least fuel. On that scale clearly my pedal bike should pay no tax as it produces no emissions and it requires no fuel.

John

motch

I've been a cyclist for about 25 years (thats riding for fitness on a road bike mostly) and a car/van driver for about 22 years.
I'd guess i've ridden about 100,000 miles in total on the bike - in east anglia for most of that, and approx 250,000 miles in a vehicle. So probably about the same amount of time in both forms of transport Bike v vehicle.

From experience I can definetely say I've been cut up, dangerously overtaken, drivers turning just in front of me etc far far more times when i've been on my bike than when in a vehicle.

To be honest I would gladly pay tax/insurance/have indicators etc on my bike/s if it would cut half the nutters out there fumming about bikes not having the above and possibly cutting the near misses/abuse from some drivers.

I think everyone should have a few months riding a bike on the roads today, will really sh*t some of you up as custardy says.

Norman_Castle

To be honest I would gladly pay tax/insurance/have indicators etc on my bike/s if it would cut half the nutters out there fumming about bikes not having the above and possibly cutting the near misses/abuse from some drivers.

It wouldn't make a difference. It would just reduce the excuses for attitude problems and poor driving.

A._Badger

Norman_Castle wrote: »

It wouldn't make a difference. It would just reduce the excuses for attitude problems and poor driving.

I cycle and I drive. I see appalling road sense from both types of users.

The advantage motorists have is that they tend not to come with the overwhelming scent of sanctimonious self-righteousness.

Norman_Castle

The advantage motorists have is that they tend not to come with the overwhelming scent of sanctimonious self-righteousness.

A while back a van tried to overtake me while I was turning right. I was riding very near to the centre line and signalling right. The driver stopped to advise me and demonstrate how I should be moving my arm up and down. The signal for motorists to say they are slowing down!. The driver was in his early twenties. I've driven a car most days for the last 20 years, but as I was cycling, what would I know?

custardy

I wonder if i should start a daily blog, on what drivers have done.
then a driver can do the same for cyclists.
lets see who has the most non fault near death experiences per day

freakybacon

I often find that the type of people who complain about cyclists "not paying road tax or insurance" are the same small minded type of people who would deny the disabled motability cars because "they're getting a free car and its not fair!"