I have joined the UKIP party

c0rneL

A._Badger wrote: »

Politically correct dogma is the same in any language.

but there are different angles, is like feeding your information only from one side or from many sides; you can compare different cultures and see how others are coping with the same challenges.....
In Sweden , very pragmatic society, immigration is seen as a positive (overall)

ILW

There is a massive difference between bringing in highly skilled workers for specific roles and allowing in low skilled workers (mainly from parts of Eastern Europe) to fill jobs that the current population could be doing. This is what EU membership demands currently.

DavidLaGuardia

ILW wrote: »

There is a massive difference between bringing in highly skilled workers for specific roles and allowing in low skilled workers (mainly from parts of Eastern Europe) to fill jobs that the current population could be doing. This is what EU membership demands currently.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Germany has (or had at least until 2011) restriction on workers from Eastern EU states. Like many things from the EU (good and bad) the application of them differs between countries.

DavidLaGuardia

c0rneL wrote: »

the 3 million unemployed unskilled and/or are unwilling or to lazy to re-train or re-locate to find proper work; The immigrants want to re-train (how many teachers or engineers from asia are working in retail or hotels?) and want to relocate because they want to work

A hideous sweeping statement. It may apply to many currently unemployed, but you cannot apply this conclusion to every unemployed person.

Thrugelmir

A._Badger wrote: »

An interesting (but incorrect) observation, much as it is still touted by the usual suspects. DNA analysis shows a sometimes astonishing degree.of shared ancestry.

I was not disputing shared ancestry, but the illustrating the degree of immigration that the UK has seen.

From Romans to Normans....

Groundbreaking series in which Michael Wood tells the story of one place throughout the whole of English history. The village is Kibworth in Leicestershire in the heart of England - a place that lived through the Black Death, the Civil War and the Industrial Revolution and was even bombed in World War Two.

With the help of the local people and using archaeology, landscape, language and DNA, Michael uncovers the lost history of the first thousand years of the village, featuring a Roman villa, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings and graphic evidence of life on the eve of the Norman Conquest

c0rneL

DavidLaGuardia wrote: »

A hideous sweeping statement. It may apply to many currently unemployed, but you cannot apply this conclusion to every unemployed person.

accidental unemployed are rare and they usually find jobs really easy because they will work; If they filter and wait for someone to give them jobs they fit my description. I admit there can be exception, but at the end of the day, immigrants are unemployed people themselves before going trough great deal of stress and sacrifice to take a job in UK.
There are jobs, and no employer will favor an immigrant, they do what is best for their business, failing to employ an immigrant can result in :
#1. having no person to do the job or
#2. produce the product or service overpriced or badly and be uncompetitive.
in any case the business can run into trouble, and the employers become unemployed themselves; meanwhile the same product/service will be produced/provided in other parts of the world where the job market is more flexible, better skilled and more competitive.......

Wonder why UK engineering is in decline? Wonder why UK do not produce as much as they used to? -- not because of immigration, but because producing require innovation, skills, etc -- HARD WORK! That is why other countries thrive on producing while others just buy on money borrowed against ever rising house prices.......

c0rneL

DavidLaGuardia wrote: »

I don't think that's necessarily true. Germany has (or had at least until 2011) restriction on workers from Eastern EU states. Like many things from the EU (good and bad) the application of them differs between countries.

but they have a very competitive job market, their benefits are spent wisely, they teach children that resilience hard-work in learning and not laziness will bring success.
Therefore, even-though Sweden did not impose restrictions not many immigrants could compete with agile eager locals for jobs! they do not have the levels of immigration we see in the UK

c0rneL

ILW wrote: »

There is a massive difference between bringing in highly skilled workers for specific roles and allowing in low skilled workers (mainly from parts of Eastern Europe) to fill jobs that the current population could be doing. This is what EU membership demands currently.

The immigrants are not brought into the country on commands, they come here because here are jobs, low skilled or high skilled!
Why do you find it fair to bring someone skilled to do jobs for the benefit of the UK? don't you find it unfair for their native country? is not that country that paid for their childcare and for medical care? is not that country that paid for the education of that highly skilled person?
And you are wrong in saying that there are jobs that the current population can do. The global demand pushed the prices downwards, therefore, employers are looking to pay less to stay afloat. Did you ever wonder how much a hard working person working on a farm earn? or any other jobs that no many of the unemployed will take. do not allow immigrants and many sectors will be bankrupt.wonder why in hotels and restaurants are mainly immigrants, what will happen if no immigrants will take the jobs? the employers will pay higher wages, and eventually local people will take the jobs! Ta Da! but........, when Chinese/American/ Japanese person will plan a trip in Europe, will make sure will find cheap hotel in France!

A._Badger

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I was not disputing shared ancestry, but the illustrating the degree of immigration that the UK has seen.

From Romans to Normans....

Yes, I do recognise that BBC narrative. It's just wrong, I'm afraid.

The BBC is on a mission with its fellow travellers on the 'progressive' (sic) Left to pretend that we are all immigrants and that there is no such thing as an Englishman. Curiously, they get uneasy when faced with Irish, Welsh or Scottish nationalism - which should be the cue any curious person needs to start unravelling the nest of illogic and distortion that passes for knowledge in that sector.

Which, of course, isn't to say that just because there actually is such a thing as an Englishman means he is any better than a Dutchman or a Dane. But it is simply mendacious to, on the one hand, champion the identity of the Irish, for example, while pretending the English don't exist.

All countries (well, there are a few exceptions, but let that pass) experience immigration but that does not change their essential quality - it's a minor flavouring as opposed to an extinction.

A._Badger

c0rneL wrote: »

but they have a very competitive job market, their benefits are spent wisely, they teach children that resilience hard-work in learning and not laziness will bring success.
Therefore, even-though Sweden did not impose restrictions not many immigrants could compete with agile eager locals for jobs! they do not have the levels of immigration we see in the UK

Language. How many is Africans, Poles or Bangladeshis speak Swedish? For heaven's sake think!