iphone v Android discussions

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theiDiot wrote: »

Are you saying the Amazon App Store on Android is going to less safe because apps are pre checked for malware before release so no need for virus checker to check apps?
If what you are saying is true why it's taking Google Play 6-8 weeks to find malware and remove?

Are you saying anyine bar you really gives a hoot about it? Ask google, why are you asking here?

Mista_C

thegoodman wrote: »

Are you saying the Amazon App Store on Android is going to less safe because apps are pre checked for malware before release so no need for virus checker to check apps?
If what you are saying is true why it's taking Google Play 6-8 weeks to find malware and remove?

No, forget the store I'm talking about the OS. Android has real-time scanner apps to check other Apps (and the OS) for malware, in the same way you have anti virus and anti malware software on your PC. Apple have actively refused to allow any real-time scanners to be submitted for use on iOS.
The only way to install a real-time AV/anti-malware scanner on iOS is to jailbreak it. Google Play seems to adopt the "s**t happens" approach whereas Apple adopt the "if we ignore it, it didn't happen" approach.
This is where I came from in a previous post (on the OMG thread) not to mistake arrogance and complacency on the part of Apple as security. The Apple App Store is built on part security, part complacency of which the percentages of either are anyone's guess. Apple haven't released official figures but there have been a number of instances of malicious software already getting through via the App Store. This latest one has only got people's attention because it was obvious and it slipped through the net, being picked up Kaspersky Labs, leaving Apple a little red-faced. Previous instances have had instances of "calling home" in order to pick up additional code once the App has been downloaded and installed. For the most part it's not Apple's responsibility for these types but you do have to wonder if they bother asking the question "when this app calls home, what exactly is the effect of it doing so?"

Other forms of iOS malware have been introduced via the methods I mentioned earlier, browser injections and the PDF manipulation. Where you'd get official figures for these I don't know, simply for the fact that there's no way to know you're infected unless there's visible signs (as in the Ikee trojan) or the malware causes visibile symptoms.

For the record I'm not against Apple, they've done a pretty good job overall but their reluctance to allow a real-time scanner App is arrogant and complacent. There could be 1000s of infected iOS device but only those who jailbreak their device will ever really know and then they can't be sure if the infection is down to the jailbreak (the alpine backdoor)

pingu

iDiot itroll is ghandu mummy and daddy bought him a little phone hut you know the one indoor markets has too much time on his hands!

BaliffsFriend

Wow.... Who actually helped give an answer here and got thanked for their input...????
Different phones suit different people. If you were to go to an independent dealer who gives a 14 day trial with your new phone then you could really find out which is best for you. Good Luck with your choice (oh and choose your network firstly - as they can be a nightmare too!).

nsabournemouth

It's incorrect. Android do have higher malware

thegoodman,you're an idiot. You have no idea what you are harping on about and because you are so wrapped up in iOS you have tunnel vision.

Wayne3765

dealer_wins wrote: »

Stupid biased poll, from a biased member.

Cant we vote to get rid of you?

I used to laugh at the iClown but it's a pity someone doesn't delete his account here, he just spoils every thread he posts on.

thegoodman

It's incorrect. Android do have higher malware

Mista_C wrote: »

It is an open system in comparison to the way the Apple App Store is run.

I've worked in the field for some time and don't need to check the facts,

I don't think you know much about Android and it seem unlikey to have worked in this field more then testing them.

If Android is Open Source why only Google Play is install. To install any other store such as Amazon App Store which is better, you will need to go to settings and change to install from unknown source?
Why do you think Google Play is open source when Google is able to remove apps as it see fit. This can't be possible with the open source, can it?
Why do Google need this control if os is open source?
Why only Google control the version numbers?
Why only Google is able to add functions with the stock Android os?

gnus

thegoodman wrote: »

I don't think......

I don't think your medication is strong enough. I'd go back to your doctor and either get a stronger dose or different medication altogether.

With a bit of help you should be able to cope with your problems.

buscape

thegoodman wrote: »

I don't think you know much about Android and it seem unlikey to have worked in this field more then testing them.

Is that not working in the field then?

If Android is Open Source why only Google Play is install. To install any other store such as Amazon App Store which is better, you will need to go to settings and change to install from unknown source?

Security feature perhaps?

Why do you think Google Play is open source when Google is able to remove apps as it see fit. This can't be possible with the open source, can it?

The Play Store isn't an integral part of the operating system is it?

Why do Google need this control if os is open source?

To try to prevent the malware you're so obsessed with perhaps?

Why only Google control the version numbers?

What have version numbers got to do with anything?

Why only Google is able to add functions with the stock Android os?

What are you talking about?

Mista_C

thegoodman wrote: »

I don't think you know much about Android and it seem unlikey to have worked in this field more then testing them.

What you think is irrelevant because most of you what you think has been wrong and so is that statement. You're right about testing though, that is a part of what I do. Part of that testing is in security and that's about all I can say on the matter. Thankfully though I don't feel the need to justify myself to someone lacking ability on a consumer forum when it comes to my work in this field. If you want to know about my work in this field then I suggest you look to the web for resources, you may have already happened across some of it, as it goes.

If Android is Open Source why only Google Play is install. To install any other store such as Amazon App Store which is better, you will need to go to settings and change to install from unknown source?
Why do you think Google Play is open source when Google is able to remove apps as it see fit. This can't be possible with the open source, can it?
Why do Google need this control if os is open source?
Why only Google control the version numbers?
Why only Google is able to add functions with the stock Android os?

I wasn't talking about open source, I said it's an open system compared to Apple's i.e. Apple have much more stringent guidelines on submission to their App Store in comparison to GP (and others) who pretty much let anyone submit anything.

It is you who keeps bringing up the stores, you seem unable to distinguish the difference between the operating system and the delivery method, either unable to tell or an attempt to twist it into a strawman arguement.
In either case it seems irrelevant to discuss it any further with as you don't seem to be able to grasp the fundamental basics or are unable to recognise the various aspects involved.

ETA: Out of curiosity what'syour working involvment in all of this? I assume you work in this field and aren't just one of the many consumers brained washed by fanboy propaganda.