Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

vinnyph

kippen_noedel wrote: »

No no, don;t go answering your own questions once again, my problem is with how you brought the subject up, not any other reason, just you.

It is your vanity I have a problem with, you claim to be a god fearing man but continue to use his name and make judgements in his name. Just who do you think you are ??

I see no evidence of the existence of any God,so how can I argue with someone that I don't believe exists ? If one does exist I will discuss that when the time arises with the relevant deity. You however are a disgrace to your religion, you take the name of your God in vain, you are full of pride, you lie and you cheat. Yet still you say you are a good man, I pity you.

Made them up have I, ???you make yet another stupid blatant lie

You truly are a fool, don't you remember this famous triple guarantee you pontificate about. hilarious once again. No wonder you make such a bad liar.



Except of course for all the exceptions to that guarantee

blah de blah de blah, except if this except for that, blah de blah de blah

It's a bit like me selling a rolls Royce without an engine and saying it's one of the most fuel effieient cars in the world. True it is one of the most efficient, but only because it can't be driven but it's still a Rolls. :rotfl:

If you don't believe that God exists then you have nothing to worry about then. What I don't understand is why still keep arguing though. If you are so sure that God doesn't exist why keep arguing about it. Do you have some doubt that that he doesn't exist. Is it that you are really arguing with yourself. If so what has that got to do with me. You seem in two minds about this, you should talk it out amongst you.

I don't see any evidence that God doesn't exit.

What you originally said about a guarantee is not what the triple value guarantee actually states.

You said "how can they guarantee to be the cheaper than anyone ?".

This is different to what the triple value guarantee states. You have also missed out the third part to the triple value guarantee.

Again if UWDC are so expensive as you suggest I end up paying £591 a year, including gas, electricity, broadband, telephone, line rental including my discounts. I cannot find cheaper than that and I have tried also. It seems you forget about the discounts I receive on top. Do you suggest I move elsewhere?

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

Jannienew

Your memory is going!!;)

You raised this point before - and about SwanJon.

Swanjon does not have to declare he works for BG unless the thread is about BG. Albeit if he was 'pushing' BG products in this thread(which he never does) it would wise to make such a declaration.

Martin made a ruling about this in another thread , when some idiot tried to wrongly intrepret MSE's rules.

He stated:



See the discussion at around post #7728 and in post #7731 you acknowledged that this was correct.

It states that if he is talking about British Gas then he should mention it, whatever is being discussed. When he does mention british gas he doesn't mention he is an employee.

When your deal with British Gas is up in April, who will you go with?

I have been a long term customer with UWDC and chose to be a distributor because it proved to be good.

Quentin

@ vinnyph

You are supposedly a uw rep yet regularly choose not to declare it when posting in this thread

vinnyph

Quentin wrote: »

@ vinnyph

You are supposedly a uw rep yet regularly choose not to declare it when posting in this thread

I just did declare it. I have declared it a number of times today. Who do you work for Quentin?

I have been a long term customer with UWDC and chose to be a distributor because it proved to be good.

vinnyph

Still can't see what all the fuss is about UWDC with the AUWF. I am getting a good deal as a customer and my customers I have introduced are also. They are happy. Cannot see why the AUWF are so desperate to undermine them. They have been posting for years and still haven't had any effect on UWDC. Why so many keyboard vigilantes?

I have been a long term customer with UWDC and chose to be a distributor and recommend to others because it proved to be good.

NigeWick

Cardew wrote: »

Jannienew

Your memory is going!!;)

You raised this point before - and about SwanJon.

Swanjon does not have to declare he works for BG unless the thread is about BG. Albeit if he was 'pushing' BG products in this thread(which he never does) it would wise to make such a declaration.

Martin made a ruling about this in another thread , when some idiot tried to wrongly intrepret MSE's rules.

He stated: The rules have always been simple, if you are engaged in a discussion where you work for a company involved, then you should mention it. However it shouldn't be in your signature as it is only for relevant posts.

Swanjon works for British Gas and his company is involved in the utilities industry. Utility Warehouse is also involved in the utilities industry and he should declare his interest. OR, would it be alright for me to go and slag off British Gas and not declare that I am involved with Utility Warehouse?

Anyway, do you believe there is not one person (not being a UW distributor) who can benefit by being a Utility Warehouse customer?

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

NigeWick

Quentin wrote: »

You are supposedly a uw rep yet regularly choose not to declare it when posting in this thread

You have previously said that you know of a Utility Warehouse pre payment card beating cashback card. You should provide a link to it, proof of its existence or retract your statement.

I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.

janninew

Cardew wrote: »

Jannienew

Your memory is going!!;)

You raised this point before - and about SwanJon.

Swanjon does not have to declare he works for BG unless the thread is about BG. Albeit if he was 'pushing' BG products in this thread(which he never does) it would wise to make such a declaration.

Martin made a ruling about this in another thread , when some idiot tried to wrongly intrepret MSE's rules.

He stated:



See the discussion at around post #7728 and in post #7731 you acknowledged that this was correct.

I remember that conversation Cardew but you got them rules from a different section of the forum, I admit that I accepted that you were right but later retracted when I realised that you weren't talking about the rules from this thread. Maybe he does follow the rules in other sections but when you post on here Martin made some different rules and that is if you work for ANY utility company you must declare it when you post!! UW reps get pulled up on this all the time so its only right people working for other utility companies follow suit! If you think Swanjon is following the rules by only declaring his interest when he feels its relevant, can the same rules apply for the UW reps? Or do they have to follow the rules on this thread as all poster should? I'm confused?!

kippen_noedel

NigeWick wrote: »

Do you believe there is not one person (not being a UW distributor) who can benefit by being a Utility Warehouse customer?

Yawn, why d I have to keep repeating myself.

I have said on more than one occasion, UW may benefit a small number of people who have never used a dual fuel scheme previously.
I have further clarified this by saying it is not the job of a UW salesperson to recommend other companies with cheaper tariffs, yet they often spoil this by claiming to be the cheapest. The "Triple Garuantee" is a prime example of this cleverly worded marketing BS.
A very much smaller (very rare) number of people would find UW cheaper than utilizing the best tariffs for their usage.
For a tiny minority of people who can recover the huge discrepancy in energy prices by spending a substantial amount via the cashback card it may also benefit them.

What I do find most disingenuous is people like vinny, making up weird usage figures for himself and exactly the same comparitive figures for "his clients" to give an example specific to almost no-one else in the country of how cheap they are. Then again that may be unfair on the rest of you, he's the only one proven to be a duplicitous liar.

Then we have carmine, the person who acts like a salesman but apparently is just a customer, he keeps throwing a challenge to find a cheaper deal but only ever gives a part of the info required to actually do a genuing comparison. To get his discount he has to spend £175pw, how do we know he can't buy the same shopping basket for 10% cheaper eleswhere.

All this cleverly worded marketing speil used by salespeople to show them as the cheapest/best or whatever the message of the day is just makes me think the worst.

What it all comes down to is this

People don't have to take gas and elecricity to benefit from the cashback card so any inclusion of the card is disingenuous when comparing energy prices.

janninew

A little reminder, the rules for posting on this thread!!



This is a special area for the discussion of Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus). Unfortunately, it has become the topic for heated debate in the past and detracted from the main gas & electricity discussions. Therefore I would like to keep in restricted to just this discussion.

However due to past experiences some strict rules

i. All Telecom Plus Distributers must declare it when they post
ii. All workers or those related to other utility companies must declare it
iii. There are to be no abusive comments, accusations of fraud.
iv. Anyone breaking the above rules will be barred first of all from this board, and if they persist from the Chat Forums

I hate having to be so draconian, yet this problem has lasted for more than a year. So it is time to sort it out.

My basic view on Utility Warehouse is contained within this article

For general, non-UW, discussions on gas & electricity click here

And Please I know there are two very polemic views on Utility Warehouse going to be expressed in this thread. Please do not libel anyone. Treat those with opposing arguments with respect, even though you disagree and please try and avoid personal remarks. I live in hope!