Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

1carminestocky

As a shareholder, I make it my business to check on the growth of the company. According to the latest trading update it would appear that approx 10,000 new distributors will be joining the business from April 2009 to April 2010. When you consider that, on average, each distributor acquires 10 customers and each customer sign sup for 3.13 services (I know, it's an average ), then for every 10,000 distributors who join an additional 313,000 service accounts are acquired you can see where the grwoth is coming from. I'm very happy to be both customer and shareholder (even though I bought in fairly recently and mainly for the promised dividend i'm happy to report a 10% 'paper profit' on my average buy price, plus a dividend that equates to an 8% return on my buy price.) Add to that I am paying way less for my gas/electric/phone/broadband/calls than I would with any other company, and what would there be to NOT be happy about?

Whilst i'm by no means Victor Kiam (even though this is the internet and I could certainly pretend to be if only he wasn't dead), it could be said I was so impressed with the product I bought into the company that provides it.

Cardew

keggs wrote: »

Hi Cardew.

Can you tell me which is cheapest available tariff. Off the top of your head.

Incidentally, could you tell me how many people are actually on the cheapest tariff.

Thanks

I appreciate that you are quite honest and admit that you don't understand gas and electricity tariffs - so I will offer you some advice.

It is not possible to state which is "the cheapest available tariff" for gas and electricity as it depends on several factors, for example:

A. Where you live in UK.
B. If you have dual fuel(i.e. gas and electricity) or just one of those fuels.
C. The consumption of either fuel.
D. Which method of payment you chose to pay for your fuel.
E. There is an electricity tariff called Economy 7 - but of course you have already taken your lesson on that subject - it was the lesson you took after VOIP.

Generally it is one of the Internet Tariffs that will be cheapest for the majority of people. They usually give discounts for dual fuel and payment by Direct Debit.

You can be absolutely certain that UW prices will be amongst the very highest available in UK for the majority of people. In fact WHICH state UW are 20% more expensive than the cheapest.*

To give you an example. Take a customer in the Midlands area with the average UK consumption of 20,500kWh gas and 3,300kWh electricity, paying by Direct Debit.

Energyhelpline lists 72 tariffs.

The cheapest supplier will charge £947.

UW have 3 tariffs and the are listed as 65th, 66th and 69th of the 72 tariffs.

UW's cheapest tariff will cost £1199

So costing an extra £252 that means UW are 26.6%* more expensive than the cheapest tariff.

* By stating UW are only 20% more expensive than the cheapest tariff, it appears WHICH are a little out of date.;)

Quentin

Cardew wrote: »

I appreciate that you are quite honest and admit that you don't understand gas and electricity tariffs - so I will offer you some advice

You could make this into a training video for clueless uw reps.

It would sit nicely next to the one their boss made showing them how to fold and tear their business cards from an a4 sheet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYxtq6qLiLA

jimexbox

uptomyeyeballs wrote: »

I've put this in the hands of those who have a vested interest now, so won't be posting again about it. Please don't keep bringing it up jimexbox. I won't answer any of your questions, so save yourself the trouble of asking them.

Now you have seen the error of your ways, any chance that you could retract your allegations of libel against me and issue a public apology? I've always thought the strength of an individual can be measured by their contrition once proved that they are wrong, so an apology I feel is in order. Are you big enough to offer one? I will accept if you offer the olive branch.:D

Just to remind you that any further allegations, however indirect levelled against me by you or a fellow rep (slip of the tongue;)), will be reported to MSE as abuse. Please don't PM an apology, I feel a public apology is in order considering the gravity of the allegations you have levelled against me, thank you.

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

I appreciate that you are quite honest and admit that you don't understand gas and electricity tariffs - so I will offer you some advice.

It is not possible to state which is "the cheapest available tariff" for gas and electricity as it depends on several factors, for example:

A. Where you live in UK.
B. If you have dual fuel(i.e. gas and electricity) or just one of those fuels.
C. The consumption of either fuel.
D. Which method of payment you chose to pay for your fuel.
E. There is an electricity tariff called Economy 7 - but of course you have already taken your lesson on that subject - it was the lesson you took after VOIP.

Generally it is one of the Internet Tariffs that will be cheapest for the majority of people. They usually give discounts for dual fuel and payment by Direct Debit.

You can be absolutely certain that UW prices will be amongst the very highest available in UK for the majority of people. In fact WHICH state UW are 20% more expensive than the cheapest.*

To give you an example. Take a customer in the Midlands area with the average UK consumption of 20,500kWh gas and 3,300kWh electricity, paying by Direct Debit.

Energyhelpline lists 72 tariffs.

The cheapest supplier will charge £947.

UW have 3 tariffs and the are listed as 65th, 66th and 69th of the 72 tariffs.

UW's cheapest tariff will cost £1199

So costing an extra £252 that means UW are 26.6%* more expensive than the cheapest tariff.

* By stating UW are only 20% more expensive than the cheapest tariff, it appears WHICH are a little out of date.;)

Most new people joining UW on that usage will actually pay £1099 over the next 12 months, of course. If they had exactly the same shopping habits as me this would of course reduce to £616, 35% less than the cheapest company according to energyhelpline.

Is there any way the cheapest tariff (who is it from this week, BTW?) quoted can in any way be reduced without the punter using less fuel or the supplier cutting the tariff rate?

PS Which cashback card do YOU use for your retail shopping?

Cardew

uptomyeyeballs wrote: »

Then how do you consistently compare UW against it? Your last sentence says "compared to the cheapest tariff". Impossible if you don't know what the cheapest available tariff is!

My goodness! Is that a serious question, or are you pretending to be Keggs?

There is a cheapest tariff for any given set of circumstances, and I gave details in my post of one example.

Do you need help to find the cheapest tariff for your set of circumstances?

keggs

uptomyeyeballs wrote: »

Then how do you consistently compare UW against it? Your last sentence says "compared to the cheapest tariff". Impossible if you don't know what the cheapest available tariff is!

You beat me to it.

Cardew please tell me how many people are on the cheapest tariff that you of.

keggs

Cardew wrote: »

My goodness! Is that a serious question, or are you pretending to be Keggs?

There is a cheapest tariff for any given set of circumstances, and I gave details in my post of one example.

Do you need help to find the cheapest tariff for your set of circumstances?

Now we are getting somewhere. Hurrah.

Carmine has pointed out to you at considerable length I might add that he is on the cheapest tariff for his 'given circumstances'.

So I ask you again.

Which is the cheapest tariff most people are on given their circusmstances?

keggs

Quentin

With your extensive knowledge of UW and the energy market can you help your friend out by telling him who offers the cheapest tariff (at the moment)?

While you're at it

1. How many people are on the cheapest tariff?

2. What is the username you use to to gain access to the NWP site which as well all know you have no right to access?

Cardew

keggs wrote: »

You beat me to it.

Cardew please tell me how many people are on the cheapest tariff that you of.

Not sure I understand the question?

I have no idea how many customers are on the various tariffs offered in UK.
If you wish to know that information, why don't you contact the companies concerned and ask them?