Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

Cardew wrote: »

Thank you, I spent 5 mins trying to put the 'banter' in quotes for some reason it resisted.

I think you take my point though!

You, Mike by the sea and Avenger don't resort to abuse, and attempts to ridicule.

Youat least can argue the UW case without resorting to the insults and personal attacks and hysterical outbursts from anyone who dares to criticise UW.

Based on your definition of abuse you don't abuse do you Cardew. How about calling people trolls or in my own case telling me that I am out of my depth.

You resort to abuse as much as any here. So don't pretend.

In any event until you posted your last post making carping criticisms and pointing out supposed abuse by UW distributors there was a very good discussion covering a number of points. And here we go again discussing abuse. I wonder how that came about Cardew.

AvengerSeawolf

werdna1981 wrote: »

Interesting how UW distributors are quick to defend and argue what is purely my experience, whilst actual customers appear to agree and share similar stories.

Which 'actual customers' are you referring to?

On here in recent times we have had very positive posts by UW customers who are not ID's (janinew and carmine). I accept that, like any company, there will be customers who have had negative experiences, although I'm not sure whether there have been many on here in recent times.

There are 3 anti-UW members who post here regularly (Quentin, Jimexbox, and Cardew) and I don't think any of them have ever been customers so can't 'agree and share similar stories'. In fact, I'm not sure you can pass comment and be taken seriously if you've not been a customer.

Again, I could be wrong about this. For the record, would the 3 named above indicate whether they have been customers in the past or not please?

keggs

werdna1981 wrote: »

Interesting how UW distributors are quick to defend and argue what is purely my experience, whilst actual customers appear to agree and share similar stories.

Hi

Were you under the impression that Quentin, Cardew, Jimexbox and PlushChris have been customer of the UW?

Did you realise that Rael is an actual customer who has also only this week decided to become a distributor as well?

Have you read any of Carmine's posts or that of Janinew' posts. The latter is a very happy customer but has been derided for being so by Cardew and Jimexbox.

What you might not realise also is that all distributors who contribute here are also customers / members of the UW. We are all satisfied customer who just happen to have decided to get paid for recommending the UW to other people. I on occasions have had a couple of issues as a customer but the company have always dealt with problems professionally. I have never had ant reason to complain. Rather the opposite.

It is unfortunate you have had a problem (not sure what it was exactly) and it can colour your pereception but to generalise there after is a tad unfair don't you think?

espresso

keggs wrote: »

I do wish you would stop saying things like this. It is totally untrue. I might have had reservations or been a bit aggrieved on occasions - that's perfectly normal but your accusation s completely unfounded. I AM NOT UNHAPPY. And if you don't stop these personal attacks I will have to resort to reporting it to the forum moderator.

keggs wrote: »

That's lie. I haven't. Apologise now or I'll report you to the moderator.

keggs wrote: »

Just thought I would inform you all that I have just taken steps to report Quentin to the forum moderator for abuse.

keggs wrote: »

There is only one word to describe the sort of person you are - - bit old fashioned but it is a cad. You are a total disgrace. And if the forum moderators do not ban you for the continual libellous behaviour, Internet stalking and many other abuses you have performed here then I will have lost any faith in any of the site moderators here.

keggs wrote: »

You are a liar. I have ever used any survey on businesses. That is a lie. Where is your evidence to back it up. I have in the past gone door knocking but that was several years ago. I have not done it since.I had considered doing again and revised a survey produced by a colleague but I have never used it. Where is your evidence to the contrary.

You are a liar and a disgrace.

Apologise now

keggs wrote: »

That's not evidence. You told forum members that I phone businesses up and use a survey on them before I go into my sales patter.

I don't and I never have done and I have NEVER SAID I DO.

Your Quote: Keggs has a scheme to get round the TPS requirements by phoning and pretending to be carrying out research on behalf of utility warehouse before launching into his sales patter. Just what he does with the research data he gathers like this he has never let on!



Apologise or I'll report you once more to the MSE moderator.

keggs wrote: »

Irrespective of business your implication still stands that I phone up people, use a survey etc etc./ That is a lie. Retract it

keggs wrote: »

Where are you Quentin. I want an apology for your accusation. While you are at it kindly apologise to Nigewick for the libel. Furthermore give everyone the link to this cash back card you kept going on about. If you can't a simple apology saying you made a mistake.

Avengerseawolf would like an apology for your 'misundersatnsding' (personally I don't think it was).

I've lost count of the number of people here you have either abused, libelled, attacked, stalked in your never ending quest to try and destroy both the Utility warehouse and anyone associated with it.

It's never going to happen Quentin. Why don't you put whatever talent you have to much better and constructive use. In the end you'll only end up destroying yourself.

keggs wrote: »

Stop trying to divert attention away from what you have done. I want an apology and I want it NOW.

You told members of this forum that I call people up on the phone and use a survey on them before going into a sales patter. I said I don't and never have done. If I have used a survey at all and I have I have used it door knocking.

Now do you intend apologising or not or do I have to report you yet again?

keggs wrote: »

I've gone past feeling sorry for him. Words fail me in how I feel about him. Decorum and forum rules stop me saying what I want to say.

If loathesome is not too strong a word for this site then he's loathesome .

keggs wrote: »

What more lies, accusations and insults has he got left. This site is about helping people save money. But people like him are ruining it for genuine visitors. I'm generally against banning but in his case I'll make an exception. The peace of this forum could well be restored.

keggs wrote: »

Come on Quentin apologise to everyone you have derided, accused, stalked lied to, misunderstood, abused. One last chance before I barrage the moderator to have you removed.

Is your friend Cardew going to come tou your rescue. I'd be surprised if he did. Even he knows what you are about even if he doesn't say anything.

keggs wrote: »

That is not abuse in my book Cardew. It is banter. You are not averse to it yourself. Telling someone that he is lying and knowing he has lied is not abuse. He has lied on numerous occasions. And knows it. However, accusing someone of lying knowing that to be untrue is libel. He has libelled people here and you know it but ignore.

You even ignore the fact that he has stalked me and used information I say and misuse it to suit his own purposes. That is justs as much abuse as saying something horrible. In fact it goes beyond abuse.

He's also obviously told an untruth about his famous cash card. Not publishing a link and ignoring requests to do so leaves all wondering whether he is telling the truth. It's impossible to say.

Quentin accused me by implying I did something. He has no way of knowing whether I have or not. But that is not the point. Making presumptions and telling everyone else what he believes I do without checking firsts is in my view an abuse of his position as a member of this forum.

People here want an apology for all the 'bad' behaviour'. I have apologised to him on occasions for any personal attacks. And I agree perhaps others should do the same. BUt he is a trouble maker and knows he is. And furthermore relishes in the attention he's getting. Well, I for one am not putting up with it any longer. If he cannot behavie in a civised manner then he has to expect the same back until the MSE forum administrators ban him. or close the thread down.
I have reported Quentin to the admin and I fully expect them todo something about it.

keggs wrote: »

Now Quentin I want an apology for your accusation that I misuse my position as a UW ID and cold call people and use a a survey before going into a sales pattern. That's what you said and I want a retraction.

keggs wrote: »

Can I echo Andybos. This thread has become farcical. In fact it is positively dangerous now. It could have been a very good discussion forum for people looking at the UW properly. But the 3 main members of AUWF have destroyed not just their own credibility, they have tried to destroy the integrity of UW Authorised Distributors. Further, they have hijacked this thread for their own agendas.

Leave it to them now and see how far they can go. Andy is right, top IDs don't get involved in squabbles. They are too busy building their businesses. Yet, it is very difficult not to answer the dirt that the naysaysers keep throwing. They really do believe their own propaganda as Quentin once accused me of.

The difference is, what the Utility Warehouse does is provable. It is up front in all its dealings as all good distributors on here and elsewhere are. The same cannot be said for Cardew, Quentin and others.

If you don't like or agree with what another poster has said, then you could simply behave like an adult and ignore them!

Why do you keep returning to this thread if you believe that it has become farcical?

Sixteen posts of yours quoted above from today alone on a thread that you have said that you won't bother to post on again several times now, although you have stated that you like to

keggs wrote: »

play Quentin now when I feel like it.

:rotfl:

Who do you think you are?

If you don't like it here, why do you post here!

Do these [STRIKE]posts[/STRIKE] threats actually add any value to the discussion!

Maz

Stewth! How long did it take you to trawl through the thread to gather these???

I notice that you haven't posted the replies that elicited these responses from Keggs? Kinda takes your post out of context somewhat?

keggs

Maz wrote: »

Stewth! How long did it take you to trawl through the thread to gather these???

I notice that you haven't posted the replies that elicited these responses from Keggs? Kinda takes your post out of context somewhat?

It most certainly does Maz. The AUWF are very good at attacking others but rarely do they apologise for their own awful behaviour.

This site is farcical now. The fact of the matter is that together with your friends the AUWF have lost both the arguments, the battle and war over the UW. But like all beaten people you simply can't accept it.

keggs

And I would still like an apology from Quentin for the slur on my integrity. I am also sure other distributors on here who have had slurs thrown at them (or in one case libel) would appreciate at least an aknowledgement the need for an apology. Is that too much to ask.

I would suggest it is.

As for not liking it here. It isn't the forum it is 1 very nasty individual who isn't here to discuss anything rational but to denigrate and generally upset people both customers and distributors alike.

Cardew and I may have had our run ins but at least he tries to keep to the discussion most times. The same cannot be said for Quentin.

Cardew

keggs wrote: »

Based on your definition of abuse you don't abuse do you Cardew. How about calling people trolls or in my own case telling me that I am out of my depth.

It is a well accepted tenet that in Law, and indeed internet protocols, that if a statement is true it does not constitute libel or abuse.

So in both cases you quote I am guilty of no offence;)

Maz

Rael wrote: »

Judging by the time between his last two posts, about 40 minutes! But with 13,000+ posts he must do little else.

How sad and desperate!

keggs

Rael wrote: »

Judging by the time between his last two posts, about 40 minutes! But with 13,000+ posts he must do little else.

That's an awful lot of posts I must say.