Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

You are rather proving my point!

What a huge mistake! stating F & S advertised on TV instead of the internet? - is that the best you can produce? Does that totally negate any facts I post about UW?

As part of your 'discredit campaign' against myself you frequently posted that the BG fixed to April 30 2010 tariff that I started in 2005 was a error of judgement as the BG Click tariff introduced the following year was much cheaper. Now I wonder who lacked 'judgement' in that case.

Incidentally with my heavy consumption on this BG tariff, that apparently demonstrated my lack of judgement!!! I am paying £797 a year less than I would with UW.

P.S.
As for Carmine massaging figures to make UW appear less expensive. When he became the UW 'champion' his electricity consumption dropped dramatically in his UW pricing from the figure he previously used in calculations.

When you attempt to take the moral high ground by querying another's integrity/judgement, then expect to get your integrity investigated, my friend. This is not like some drunken late night argument in a pub (although in some respects it often resembles one), all the comments made are fully verifiable at a later date. If I was being kind, your F&S comments could maybe excused as you knowing basically nothing about the subject you were arguing about. Less kind/cynical people than I would probably suggest they were a blatant untruth in order to make your point more valid. But that would mean you made them knowingly but with the very real chance that someone would prove your statement entirely false. Now that would hint at a massive lack of judgement. What is the real truth, I wonder? For whichever reason you made them, it does hint at one who's beliefs regarding UW have to treated with a certain level of scepticism.

Let's have details of your shopping habits now and what cash back card you use. I note you previously glossed over such a question by suggesting you shop at Harrods. Just so we can be sure you are qualified to advise people about the very best deal, let's get your personal details.

PS Unlike the increasingly Clouseau-like jimexbox I gave full details of my reduced leccy usage, including the PERSONAL reasons for it. Funny how I'm an open book but all of you detractors have to put on your brown trousers when asked for back up on your particular deal...

Cardew

1carminestocky wrote: »

Let's have details of your shopping habits now and what cash back card you use. I note you previously glossed over such a question by suggesting you shop at Harrods. Just so we can be sure you are qualified to advise people about the very best deal, let's get your personal details.

This again demonstrates your lack of logic!

This is a forum about gas and electricity, and this thread is about UW.

It matters not a whit if I - or rather the butler - shops at Harrods, Lidl/Tesco/Sainsbury/Aldi etc.

It matters not a whit if I, and any other poster, have very poor judgement in every aspect of our lifestyle.

The inescapable fact is that UW gas and electricity prices are just about the highest available in UK.

Your posts on UW are biased, devoid of any balance and your input is discredited!

1carminestocky

Cardew wrote: »

This again demonstrates your lack of logic!

This is a forum about gas and electricity, and this thread is about UW.

It matters not a whit if I - or rather the butler - shops at Harrods, Lidl/Tesco/Sainsbury/Aldi etc.

It matters not a whit if I, and any other poster, have very poor judgement in every aspect of our lifestyle.

The inescapable fact is that UW gas and electricity prices are just about the highest available in UK.

Your posts on UW are biased, devoid of any balance and your input is discredited!

Subtitle: I'm copping out of this one because my choices will be queried like I query UW customer choices. And I REALLY don't want that. But I'll cover up my embarrassment by going on the attack. Bah...no credibility...bah.

:rotfl: Now who's reverting to attacks when asked awkward questions.

This is like going for an interview for a job as a rocket scientist with no CV but plenty of boasting. Would you be taken seriously?

jimexbox

Cardew wrote: »

The inescapable fact is that UW gas and electricity prices are just about the highest available in UK.

Your posts on UW are biased, devoid of any balance and your input is discredited!

Cramine will never write anything negative about UW, that is a fact, much like UW are 19% more expensive than my current tarrif.

UW offer some of the most expensive energy tariffs of the whole industry. You know this, I know this. Yet carmine who claims to offers unbiased opinions cannot even admit this fact. His shameless plugging of UW without accepting this basic fact is extremely embarrassing, and as you suggest leaves any views he may express subject to deep suspicion.

janninew

jimexbox wrote: »

Cramine will never write anything negative about UW, that is a fact, much like UW are 19% more expensive than my current tarrif.

UW offer some of the most expensive energy tariffs of the whole industry. You know this, I know this. Yet carmine who claims to offers unbiased opinions cannot even admit this fact. His shameless plugging of UW without accepting this basic fact is extremely embarrassing, and as you suggest leaves any views he may express subject to deep suspicion.

I don't believe anybody has ever said on this board that UW are the cheapest supplier, we know there not. But we can get a significant discount on our bills by using the discount card, if we shop there anyway surely it makes sense to use the discount card and save money? The one thing that is starting to annoy me is the blantant accusations that anybody who is happy with UW have a vested interest in promoting the company!
I have just requested a card for my Mum and Dad to use in Sainsbury's, my Mum spends around 110.00 per week on food and my Dad around 80.00 on fuel a week so i'm going to be saving even more! My Mum also spends alot in Argos at Xmas so will be using the card also, why in Gods name would i change suppliers to BG/Npower etc and pay more for my utilites? Would make no sense whatsoever! This works well for me and it could work for other people so that is why i post! Plus the fact the CS is excellent, i can pay for my gas/electric in a way that suits me (monthly, just for what i use!) and its all on 1 easy bill, i think i would be insane to change suppliers!
A happy UW customer!

1carminestocky

jimexbox wrote: »

Cramine will never write anything negative about UW, that is a fact, much like UW are 19% more expensive than my current tarrif.

UW offer some of the most expensive energy tariffs of the whole industry. You know this, I know this. Yet carmine who claims to offers unbiased opinions cannot even admit this fact. His shameless plugging of UW without accepting this basic fact is extremely embarrassing, and as you suggest leaves any views he may express subject to deep suspicion.

UW are part of the most discredited industry in the UK. I wish the industry was re-nationalised then we wouldn't have either UW or any of the other companies making a profit out of selling a product everyone needs as opposed to wants. I'm entirely sure there will be rogue elements in UW mis-selling like there will be rogue elements in every supplier's ranks. If there are I totally and utterly despise it. I have to have my gas and electric from someone (you seem to forget I have switched between all of the dreaded Big 6 for a while now. Hasn't stopped me using them for my own ends). I will use UW also until/if it becomes not in my interests to use them then I will be off. The triple guarantee wouldn't have sold the deal to me, personally, same as all the other claims made by the other energy suppliers. They are just that - claims. Headlines. Marketing. Puff. Do your own research (especially you, jimexbox, your level of knowledge in respect of Eon, a supplier you have been with for years, is embarrassingly bad. Especially for someone who pontificates on here as if you actually HAVE knowledge of this industry).

Now then, about these elusive usage figures.

jimexbox

:rotfl:

Yet still no specific reference to UW, incredible. Are you devoid of thoughts on UW? Why do you have to encompass the entire energy industry in a UW thread?

Can I ask you some specific questions relating to UW without you resorting to your ubiquitous retort tactics I described earlier? Just a yes or no will suffice.

jimexbox

Questions for carmine...

1, Do you consider the 'upfront' cost of energy supplied by UW expensive compared to their competitors?

2, Do you consider the UW triple guarantee a genuine attempt to provide a price guarantee, or do you consider it a sales tool when you analyse the small print exemptions such as dual fuel and online tariffs?

3, Do you feel than ID thanking folk for parking their car carefully to push UW is as a legitimate sales tactic?

I would appreciate your thoughts as even you admit that you are a self proclaimed expert on the energy industry.

Cardew

janninew wrote: »

I don't believe anybody has ever said on this board that UW are the cheapest supplier, we know there not.

Not only are they 'not the cheapest supplier' but they are very much one of the most expensive suppliers in UK of gas and electricity.

Nobody, but nobody, is suggesting that you, or anyone else, should leave UW if the cash card suits your purpose. However I do note that the cashcard has only been introduced less than a year ago, and you have been a UW customer for many years - again that is entirely your perogative.

What several posters are attempting to point out in this thread are the facts about UW high prices and to counter the blatent misinformation by the many vested interests who post in praise of UW.

You recently posted that you recently checked and 'UW were in the top 10 for gas and electricity prices'. Had that totally incorrect statement not been challenged, new readers of this thread could be misinformed about the true situation.

It doesn't matter if you have a vested interest in UW or not - or are simply defending your choice of company - you posted incorrect information and apparently are upset because this was corrected.

So let us get this absolutely straight. The people who post unpalatable FACTS about UW have no vested interest other than to counter the deliberate misinformation that seeks to portray UW as having competitive gas and electricity prices.

1carminestocky

jimexbox wrote: »

Questions for carmine...

1, Do you consider the 'upfront' cost of energy supplied by UW expensive compared to their competitors?

2, Do you consider the UW triple guarantee a genuine attempt to provide a price guarantee, or do you consider it a sales tool when you analyse the small print exemptions such as dual fuel and online tariffs?

3, Do you feel than ID thanking folk for parking their car carefully to push UW is as a legitimate sales tactic?

I would appreciate your thoughts as even you admit that you are a self proclaimed expert on the energy industry.

This from someone who is too scared to give us his usage figures for fear of, well, who knows what. I've said all I have wanted to say on the subject, it's in the post a bit further up. It's unequivocal what i feel about any company in this entirely discredited industry. If I could join Bin Laden in that cave thereby not having to pay any of them I would (to be fair I reckon I could find him before we got the usage figs out of you). So basically you can bog off with your creepy, leading questions.

Over to you, Einstein....