Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Miss_Moppet

Carmine, lets get one thing out of the way to begin with. I’m not part of any conspiracy; and I am a 100% genuine contributor to this thread.

Now let’s look at you. In response to my first post, you put “Lol….” When I asked you to expand on that, you declined. Your accusation of a conspiracy makes no sense at all. All I have been suggesting is that this thread would be a lot more use to would be customers of UW if its reps/distributors would be less sarcastic and abusive. What is wrong with that?

Even Decado23 was kind enough to concede that UW reps have lost it on occasions; and I appreciate that at times their patience has been sorely tested. But if a person represent a business, they should remain calm and professional at all times, otherwise potential customers lose confidence in the business. That includes dealing with objections etc in a professional manner.

I would take a leaf out of Mike by the Sea’s most recent post; he’s an independent UW distributor but what a difference a bit of courtesy makes.

I’ve read quite a few posts on this thread before posting on it. That’s what the MSE instructions seemed to suggest that newcomers should do. I have looked at other threads too, and I have come across posts by you (Carmine) in which you advocate that people should switch gas and electricity companies several times a year using switching sites that give “cashbacks”. I seem to remember you mentioning that you had made something like £300 doing this.

However, on this thread you are a solid supporter of UW (I don’t know if you are a rep) but in any event you have indicated that you are with UW for all your utilities etc. So how exactly are you able to keep switching gas and electric suppliers while being such a committed customer of UW? I would love to know.

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

I am not a representative of the utility warehouse discounted in the normal accepted sense of the word..... I do not represent them in any way, shape or form......etc etc

If you posted the correct story in the first place, there would have been no need to correct matters.

You originally denied you worked for uw, and are in fact a dance teacher.

When pointed out this was not what appeared to be your role within uw, where you publicly operate as a motivator, proclaim uw is the place where you are building a future for yourself and family, you subsequently posted 4 times in the thread, but never attempted to clear all this up, even though given your history of posting here it seems pretty pointless to deny you work for uw.

You see a distinction between being a self employed rep for the uw as opposed to "working for the uw".

The main difference seems to be that the uw is able to hide behind this set up (as when reps bring the uw into disrepute by making false and misleading claims, they can say these people are "independent" and what can we do?).

You claim you don't "represent" the uw in any "shape or form", but this is contrary to the words you are taught to use by the great gary in his famous video with the gullible spanish teachers, where he tells them how proud he is to "represent" the uw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZcBC0Kf9k

To get back to your description of your connection with uw, you fail to mention the other side to your role (referred to as "how the money works" by the uw!), which is not actually to do with selling expensive utilities, but really with recruiting more distributors into your "pyramid" structure!

As majored on in more training videos across the net, eg:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3343604748168979446

And you gloss over the deceitful way you are encouraged to do the selling to your friends and relatives - (by using your relationships to ask for their "help" over a work problem that you need to practice), pretending people have parked thoughtfully next to you, pretending you are lost and rewarding the "stranger" who directs you with a way you "just found out" they can get free utilities etc etc!

Decado23

Cardew wrote: »

My contention was, and is, that for the majority of people, the BT package is better value.

To have wireless, second phone, call waiting etc etc which are all extra charge with UW and bring it up to, or exceeds, BT's price.

The additional (no charge)items on BT's package - wi-fi mins, texts, security package etc are far more use for most people than an unachievable 24mb and a Prospero magazine etc

This is precisely my point - one one hand you want to talk purely on price, Then, when UW is demonstrably cheaper you want to talk about features.

Of course you may feel that an 'unachievale 8mb' speed, 20gb monthly download limit + BTs extras is worth more than UWs 'unachievable 24mb' speed, 40gb monthly download limit + UWs extras. I tend to think the UW package is superior for most peoples needs.

I believe I've already mentioned my parent's package - UW broadcall (phone, internet & line rental) standard + cashback card. So far they've paid an (estimated) average of around £5 per month after membership fee, f-secure subscription and cashback are added in. Since she doesn't have a wirelss PC, hardly ever sends texts and wouldn't know what a digital vault is if it bit her on the nose I don't think she'd fancy paying £25 or so more each month for the BT package. This doesn't even include any additional savings she may make using the exclusive offers in the member benefits directory or recommending UW to others using the customer discount plan.

Of course, the UW package will not be ideal for everyone but overall I feel it offers better value than BT.

espresso

Decado23 wrote: »

Of course you may feel that an 'unachievale 8mb' speed, 20gb monthly download limit + BTs extras is worth more than UWs 'unachievable 24mb' speed, 40gb monthly download limit + UWs extras. I tend to think the UW package is superior for most peoples needs.

So what speed do you achieve then? see here

None of the UW users have posted their speed test results.

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

it seems pretty pointless to deny you work for uw.

You may think so, but to be blunt, you are wrong. As an independent distributor Keggs is under contractual obligation to telecom plus to not claim to be employed by or represent telecomplus/utility warehouse.

To UW we are not staff, we are contracted to perform a marketing service in return for commission payments.

To distributors UW is not an employer, but a client who offers commission payments in return for successful marketing.

Simple as that really. You may not see a significant diference but it is there.

I notice you again refer to UW as a pyramid. Of course you don't use the words 'illegal' or 'scam' as you know this not to be the case. Of course you also know that most people probably don't know the diference and will jump to the wrong conclusion if you throw the word 'pyramid' around occasionally.


UW distributor

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

I notice you again refer to UW as a pyramid.

I didn't. In fact I referred to keggs role as being more than just selling expensive utilities, and said:

you fail to mention the other side to your role (referred to as "how the money works" by the uw!), which is not actually to do with selling expensive utilities, but really with recruiting more distributors into your "pyramid" structure!

Isn't it a "pyramid" structure? With keggs at the top then under him all the people he recruits, then under them all the ones they recruit etc etc?

Why do you suggest I am trying to say anything other than that.

If it is so wholesome, I wonder why keggs neglected to mention this side of his work?

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

Isn't it a "pyramid" structure? With keggs at the top then under him all the people he recruits, then under them all the ones they recruit etc etc?

Why do you suggest I am trying to say anything other than that.

Don't all businesses larger than sole traders and small family businesses also fit that description? In which case, why specify pyramid unless you are counting on people reading it getting the wrong impression?


UW distributor

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

As an independent distributor Keggs is under contractual obligation to telecom plus to not claim to be employed by or represent telecomplus/utility warehouse.

So in the famous "real live" training video where we saw the great gary signing up the gullible spanish teachers, is he in breach of contract by actually referring to uw as "our company", and saying "I am very proud of who I represent, a company called telecomplus" as part of his introduction, (just before he goes on to tell them to take no notice of comparison sites as they are corrupt, have a down on uw, and keep them looking expensive even though they are really cheap)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZcBC0Kf9k

Why would they use this expression in their training video if it is just untrue, and gullibles weren't intended to think gary was part of the uw set up?

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

why specify pyramid unless you are counting on people reading it getting the wrong impression?

If you read the post you are unhappy with, "pyramid" was only mentioned because for whatever reason, keggs completely missed making any mention of recruitment in his post explaining that he isn't a rep, and what he does in fact do.

Maybe your questions should be directed at him as to why he made no mention.

But from the what we have learned, the uw is more than just an opportunity for their reps to earn commission from the sale of expensive utilities. The big money is to be made from recruiting. If there is a wrong impression to be picked up, keggs seeming denial of the existence of this side of the business is to blame, not me pointing it out!

See Shannon's friend John drool at the prospect:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3343604748168979446

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

If you read the post you are unhappy with, "pyramid" was only mentioned because for whatever reason, keggs completely missed making any mention of recruitment in his post explaining that he isn't a rep, and what he does in fact do.

As far as I could tell, Keggs was merely making the point that he is not a professional sales rep, nor is he an employee of UW. I assume he didn't mention the recruitment side of things as it's utterly irrelevant to the point he was making. I, for example, am employed by a school - when discussing my employment status, my status is 'employed full time'. What i'm employed as is neither here nor there.



UW Distributor