Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

1carminestocky

Wooahh...I see we are back to the 'original' thread. Anything to do with getting Cardew out of that massive hole he's just dug for himself in the 'alternative' thread, perchance? :rolleyes:

Mike_by_the_Sea

Quentin wrote: »

The uw has a sample bill for us all to admire on its website:

https://www.utilitywarehouse.co.uk/home/Benefits/The_bill.taf

Almost needless to say, it looks hopeless.

The bill is from June (when the vat rate was 17.5%), but it seems from scrutinising the bill that the uw wrongly overcharges its members over VAT:

1) They claim their internet charge includes VAT, but the customer gets VAT added to his "broadcall"

2) VAT is normally only charged at 5% on energy. Though apparently not with the UW's unique billing system. Everything (gas, electricity, membership fee etc) gets VAT at the top rate added on.

Dear Quentin

Well spotted. It looks like somebody wasn't proof-reading the example bill when it was put on the site. Thank you for pointing it out, I will let them know and hopefully they will be able to correct it for you.

Obviously, it won't be necessary to check our bills to ensure that the correct VAT rates have been applied, as it is. (Yes, I do check!).

Thanks again

Mike

Quentin

Mike_by_the_Sea wrote:

Obviously, it won't be necessary to check our bills to ensure that the correct VAT rates have been applied, as it is. (Yes, I do check!).

More confusion - you first tell us it's "obviously" not necessary to check the bills, but confess you in fact do????

I trust when applying for your brownie points over this, you will point out to your upline manager that the uw regularly misleads people here (via misleading posts, reps pretending to be happy customers etc) and this is just an example of how shoddy they are.

But he probably won't care - we've all seen the attitude of the uw towards accuracy, and we know they are immune from the ASA who don't deal with misleading ads on websites!

And don't forget this is the company who gets its reps to fork out £40 for a pair of tickets to attend the rally and cheer on big al for showing you how to manipulate prospects minds, and show you how to "take advantage of other peoples programing so that they beleive what you say", and "Control their mind and freeze their brain" . Not too much concern for accurate detail (or even spelling!) there either!

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/rejection-free-presentation-big-al.html

Mike_by_the_Sea

Quentin wrote: »

More confusion - you first tell us it's "obviously" not necessary to check the bills, but confess you in fact do????

I trust when applying for your brownie points over this, you will point out to your upline manager that the uw regularly misleads people here (via misleading posts, reps pretending to be happy customers etc) and this is just an example of how shoddy they are.

But he probably won't care - we've all seen the attitude of the uw towards accuracy, and we know they are immune from the ASA who don't deal with misleading ads on websites!

And don't forget this is the company who gets its reps to fork out £40 for a pair of tickets to attend the rally and cheer on big al for showing you how to manipulate prospects minds, and show you how to "take advantage of other peoples programing so that they beleive what you say", and "Control their mind and freeze their brain" . Not too much concern for accurate detail (or even spelling!) there either!

http://www.networkerplus.co.uk/videos/rejection-free-presentation-big-al.html

Hi Quentin

Gosh, that was a lot to get off your chest, and I thought we were discussing the sample bill.

In response to your confusion, I tend to check all my bills (sad, I know). I also do a lot of analysis of billings etc. as part of my profession / vocation.

Quentin

Was it before or after you heard big al on manipulating prospects minds at the uw rally that you realised you had a "vocation" to be a uw rep?

1carminestocky

Anyone any closer to helping me out here, lol?

Yorkshire Region.

Gas 15000 kwhs

Leccy 4800 kwhs

Up to 24mb BB (my exchange is fully capable of exploiting this, btw)

40gb monthly download allowance

Free modem (yes, they CAN have it back should I ever leave! )

Phone Line Rental

Inclusive 24/7 calls to 01,02,03 AND 08545/0870 numbers

10 international destinations included in the inclusive calling package.

Silver club membership

£10,000 accidental death insurance (I don't know any Russian KGB people and don't enjoy sushi so that's one worry out of the way)

FREE calls to CS/BB support

No minimum term contract on any service (subject to £50 exit fee if leave the phone/BB package within 12 months)

Chance to refer like-minded friends (hell, even sworn enemies AFAICT ) to receive %tage discounts off our bill (on-going as well!)

Free membership of Prospero Magazine and their exclusive discount offers (who knows? I'll have a butchers for nowt).

Cashback card that can mean sizeable discounts off the bill by shopping at designated High Street outlets, the 'biggie' obviously being Sainsburys for groceries, electrical items, heck even mobile top-ups and gift vouchers for other retailers if what has been posted on here continues ).

12x paper monthly bills fully itemised detailing all the services I take.

One monthly DD for the lot.

Anything missed/unintentionally embellished etc?

Totally disregarding the projected cashback card discount here (which could be substantial, of course) so these are 'straight, ripe for comparison' figures.

Total annual bill: £1387.00

Monthly DD: £115.58

TIA!

NigeWick

Quentin wrote: »

you heard big al on manipulating prospects minds

For those viewers who have not seen the video, "Big Al" was having a joke, but, it appears Quentin believes he will "score more points" if he does not mention that fact.

Quentin

Anyone bothering to view the video will see who is telling the truth!

This is the blurb that accompanies it:

Big Al (Tom Schreiter) is one the best know, most effective network marketing trainers in the World and at Express Day 2008, he did the Company proud with an outstanding presentation covering approaches that result in lots of rejection free presentations."Ready to go out talking with some prospects", said Big Al, before opening the controversial idea that we should all be manipulating the minds of other people for fun and profit.

Big Al went on to discuss the concept that certain word sequences 'open doors' and demand the instant attention of others and that by using these word sequences, we can 'take control' of the minds of our prospects, whilst paving the way for a rejection free presentation.

This is an outstanding video and essential viewing (again and again) for anyone wishing to stop working hard and start working effectively!

Does that sound the intro to a joker?

NigeWick

Quentin wrote: »

Does that sound the intro to a joker?

Yep, as those reading it will usually have knowledge of Big Al's talks.

Quentin

How about you, NigeWick - did you get a vocation to be a uw rep, like M b t S?

And was it after listening to bog al at the uw reps rally?

Is he the Billy Graham of pyramid selling?