MSE News: Budget 2012: Cigarette prices to rise tonight

custardy

getzls wrote: »

You don't have a label eh? Try bore.:cool: Us smokers pay a fair whack of tax to HMRC then we die young saving the goverment pension money. They love us really.

well pay it and stop whining then
As I said before......

clairenic1965

I agree , lets get back on the main topic, instead of people just having a whinge

mumps

Edwardia wrote: »

I made comments about smokers, I didn't name individual posters. The smokers however, did that to me and to other posters I notice.

I travelled by train yesterday. I didn't have to deal with smoking around me on the platforms or on the trains. As a result of the smoking ban the platforms, waiting rooms and trains are cleaner and don't smell like kippers.

I don't see why pubs should be singled out as exceptions with smoking shelters. I don't buy the notion that without smoking shelters, pubs would go out of business. It's much more likely that they go out of business because beer is too expensive.

It's all very well for smokers to say they are considerate of others, the wind only has to change and suddenly you're enveloped in smoke. We've largely gotten rid of Public bars and Saloon bars but it certainly does seem that Wayne and Shazza Chav, their brood of kids and rottweilers take over pub gardens and intimidate others who want to enjoy the sunshine.

I hate going to pubs now, I just wanted some lunch otherwise I wouldn't have been there.

Roll on the ban on perfume, do you have any idea of the distress you cause to people with allergies?

I am not a smoker and never have been but give me smokers over perfume wearers any day. This isn't prejudice, if you saw the distress your perfume causes someone like my husband you would surely stop wearing it.

cherrypies

mumps wrote: »

Roll on the ban on perfume, do you have any idea of the distress you cause to people with allergies?

I am not a smoker and never have been but give me smokers over perfume wearers any day. This isn't prejudice, if you saw the distress your perfume causes someone like my husband you would surely stop wearing it.

Hi Mumps, I'm interested in this. Not a smoker but I do wear perfume, always have done since I was a young teenager. What kind of effect does perfume have on your Husband? I have lots of friends with various allergies to many different things, but never known anyone with a perfume allergy. Just curious and don't like the idea of causing anyone unintentional distress as I go about my day!

Sorry to go off topic.

Edwardia

I'd happily stop wearing perfume if I lived or worked with someone with an allergy, but I don't. There are a great many sweaty ppl, out there so if I walk around in a fug of Chanel No 5 on the Tube at least they don't smell so bad to me.

Getting back on topic, hmm it's strange that the people who can't afford to smoke do it and the people who can afford it, very often don't smoke.. that doesn't mean that health-damaging anti-social smoking shouldn't be taxed.

People going out to dinner are paying VAT, so are people going to cinema.

cherrypies

Edwardia wrote: »

Getting back on topic, hmm it's strange that the people who can't afford to smoke do it and the people who can afford it, very often don't smoke.. that doesn't mean that health-damaging anti-social smoking shouldn't be taxed.

People going out to dinner are paying VAT, so are people going to cinema.

There you go again making sweeping generalisations Edwardia! People from ALL walks of life and ALL incomes smoke! In fact the richest person I know (and we're talking multi, multi millionare here) smokes like a chimney, as do his wife and daughter!! There is a stereotypical image of a chavvy, council estate smoker, which you alone seem to be repeatedly prattling on about on this thread. What were you saying the other day that they 'fill up pub beer gardens with their smoke and rottweillers?' Hmm. Well, let's just say Edwardia, that you should never judge someone unless you have walked in their shoes. I'm getting extremely tired of your pomposity.

Edwardia

I don't care what you think of me nor do I care how many millionaires you know.

Where I live, south of London, the majority of the people standing outside pubs and chain-smoking away in pub gardens ARE chavvy looking fat women with Creole earrings, who can't utter a complete sentence without copious use of the F word and glottal stops and bouncer looking tattooed blokes with brutish dogs, gold chains and the I'm-going-bald-so-I'll-shave-my-hair look accompanied by missing front teeth. Quite often there are Eastern European women with huge hooped earrings, long hair and head to toe Adidas/knock offs although they tend to smoke in Lidl's car park rather than in pub gardens.

Just because my reality isn't yours doesn't mean mine is incorrect or that I deserve to be attacked personally when I haven't attacked anyone on this thread or mentioned council estates - my mother in law lives on one actually. Living on a council estate doesn't make someone a chav whereas stupidity and complete lack of class and self respect does.

I don't know a single person who smokes other than the local pub landlord. Smokers are very much in the minority now statistically.

A wealthier person pays more in VAT in monetary terms than a poorer person, a poorer person pays more of his/her income.

Smoking is a choice and if people don't want to pay the tax it's up to them but more or less everything is taxed so there's no point in moaning about it.

The whole I'm poor so cigarettes shouldn't be taxed is a non starter. I've met so called poor people with huge TVs and bare floorboards who feed their kids just on chips and they manage to drink every night and smoke because they prioritise enjoying themselves before their kids. Their choice. However terrible I think that is for the kids, people do live like that and they won't change.

Smoking is a choice..people know cigarettes are expensive, from the first packet.

And since cigarettes aren't groceries this thread should be in a different board really.

cherrypies

You're obviously frequenting the wrong kind of establishment! :rotfl: As for where you live, do you ever actually go into London at all? Walk through any decent area of London of a summer evening when the offices close and the outside of pubs and pavement cafes are rammed with the well-to-do, smoking and drinking. City boys, media types, trustafarians, they're all at it, and not a 'Creole wearing Chav' in sight!

I give up talking to you Edwardia. You are completely impossible, you see things in your own closed minded, biggoted way and refuse to see past the the peculiar bubble you live in. I'm not even fully convinced that you're not a troll, I just cannot fathom that someone, in this day and age, can be as dismissive, arrogant and condescending as you are. Not to mention hypocritical and boastful.

*Ignores permanently*

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Edwardia....What you discribed in your last post ..smoking hasnt caused people to become 'chavs' as you classed them...it just so happens some of them smoke...

If you dont like these people, that just so happens to smoke... then MOVE!!!!!

So if i go by your way of thinking all smokers are chavs....well bring it on down the royal family are chavs:rotfl:

Back on topic..... cigarettes and booze have allways had some sort of duty put on them, on budget day...except ( i think) on a very rare occassion back in the 70's, which we all except, but what we are moaning about is the amount its going up by each budget day...which now is totally out of proportion to any inflation figures etc...

Plus going back off topic... you should NEVER judge a book by its cover.... I know loads of people who, you would take one look at, and would cross the road, BUT .. those people would help you out if you were in trouble, and would give you their last penny to help you..

mumps

cherrypies wrote: »

Hi Mumps, I'm interested in this. Not a smoker but I do wear perfume, always have done since I was a young teenager. What kind of effect does perfume have on your Husband? I have lots of friends with various allergies to many different things, but never known anyone with a perfume allergy. Just curious and don't like the idea of causing anyone unintentional distress as I go about my day!

Sorry to go off topic.

Causes problems with his breathing. I can't wear anything perfumed, deoderant, moisturiser, shampoo all scent free. For people who don't get so close to him it makes him wheezy but with people like Edwardia on the tube in a fug of Chanel no 5 he can't risk going on public transport. If he was close to her in a confined space it might kill him. But hey she wouldn't have to smell anyone so what is a dead body or two.

It makes life quite restricted for us and to be honest I would like to be able to buy something without having to study the label. We don't know what started the allergy, when it first started we used to joke he was allergic to me. One day it just clicked that it was deoderant that was setting him off every morning but his reactions have got worse and worse.