JSA Hardship payments

missapril75

donnajunkie wrote: »

i am on the claimants side plain and simple.

Me too. I got a disciplinary warning for speaking out in the newspaper about benefit cuts.
<would probably result in dismissal these days>

However, I don't encourage one party to lie to the other party and at the same time complain of perceived deceit of that other party, as you have been doing.

sanction lengths are over the top and often for very minor things.

Yes I'm sure they are.

Do you misrepresent matters in other areas of life in order to negate or right perceived wrongs or just the benefits system?

donnajunkie

missapril75 wrote: »

Me too. I got a disciplinary warning for speaking out in the newspaper about benefit cuts.

However, I don't encourage one party to lie to the other party and at the same time complain of perceived deceit of that other party, as you have been doing.

what has been created is a situation where the jobcentre are the enemy. people need to defend themselves the best way they can. if it wasnt for the unscrupulous nature of the jobcentre operation there would never be a need to suggest it maybe a good idea on occasion to do the odd fib when its possible to do so without getting into trouble.

ray1971

donnajunkie wrote: »

what has been created is a situation where the jobcentre are the enemy. people need to defend themselves the best way they can. if it wasnt for the unscrupulous nature of the jobcentre operation there would never be a need to suggest it maybe a good idea on occasion to do the odd fib when its possible to do so without getting into trouble.

The job centre staff unfortunately have to try and enforce a regime that has been set up by managers who are extremely very far away from the 'real world' sitting in their ivory towers, so maybe this is why they are seem to be 'the enemy'.

Housing_Benefit_Officer

As long as people jump through the hoops the Government have set for them then the system will tick along just fine. If they say jump you need to say how high and make sure you jump that high. A patronising over simplification I know but this is the best way I can describe the current system.

donnajunkie

ray1971 wrote: »

The job centre staff unfortunately have to try and enforce a regime that has been set up by managers who are extremely very far away from the 'real world' sitting in their ivory towers, so maybe this is why they are seem to be 'the enemy'.

yes there are some decent people who work in jobcentres. i criticised it as an operation which means alot of the issues arent down to the staff.

donnajunkie

Housing_Benefit_Officer wrote: »

As long as people jump through the hoops the Government have set for them then the system will tick along just fine. If they say jump you need to say how high and make sure you jump that high. A patronising over simplification I know but this is the best way I can describe the current system.

yes some people returning from the work programme are being subject to a tougher regime and on occasion they are being told you havent done enough. that is why i make a point of saying to them make sure you ask them what is the minimum required of you so that you can make sure you do it.

ray1971

These extra steps and the numbers required should be clearly identified and explained on your new job seekers agreement that should be drawn up and agreed at your post wp interview

shirazlyn

My son has been put on hardship because he split with partner told jobcentre new address but it took many phone calls and three of the same forms filled in before they changed his details in the meantime he had been sent a letter with an appointment that went to his old address after missing his appointment his jsa was stopped he now has to apply for 25 jobs a week or he will be sanctioned agagin

john539

Housing_Benefit_Officer wrote: »

As long as people jump through the hoops the Government have set for them then the system will tick along just fine. If they say jump you need to say how high and make sure you jump that high. A patronising over simplification I know but this is the best way I can describe the current system.

Until people can't jump higher, can't meet the conditions.

They're setting people up to fail & sanction.

donnajunkie

shirazlyn wrote: »

My son has been put on hardship because he split with partner told jobcentre new address but it took many phone calls and three of the same forms filled in before they changed his details in the meantime he had been sent a letter with an appointment that went to his old address after missing his appointment his jsa was stopped he now has to apply for 25 jobs a week or he will be sanctioned agagin

he should appeal as i presume he can prove he had changed address.