Will she be fired?

silkyuk9

The meeting is to discuss.

she recieved a letter inviting her to a formal disciplinary as her honesty and integrity was under question

Just because she borrowed the lottery, but was put back the following day and the person incharge of the syndicate was able to place the draw how can it be dishonest? yes maybe a simple IOU could have helped the situation but shes incharge of the lottery. And if it was placed on at the correct time there is no theft, which should mean her honesty is intact.

According to wikipedia

Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes. In ethics, integrity is regarded as the honesty and truthfulness or accuracy of one's actions. Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy,[1] in that it regards internal consistency as a virtue, and suggests that parties holding apparently conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs.
The word "integrity" stems from the Latin adjective integer (whole, complete).[2] In this context, integrity is the inner sense of "wholeness" deriving from qualities such as honesty and consistency of character. As such, one may judge that others "have integrity" to the extent that they act according to the values, beliefs and principles they claim to hold.
A value system's abstraction depth and range of applicable interaction may also function as significant factors in identifying integrity due to their congruence or lack of congruence with observation. A value system may evolve over time[3] while retaining integrity if those who espouse the values account for and resolve inconsistencies

Yes she did lie and thats were the problem is thats most likely to get her the sack due to the nature of the company.

If the OP was here we could get a better understanding about her colleagues and how they feel about her, as she had other issues.

silkyuk9

LadyMissA wrote: »

I don't think you can compare the two. Like I keep saying surely part of the stake she took this bus fare from was her own? OP can you tell us how much the stake is that she pays and how much she took for the bus?

Good point LadyMissA

boobies

silkyuk9 wrote: »

The meeting is to discuss.

she recieved a letter inviting her to a formal disciplinary as her honesty and integrity was under question

Just because she borrowed the lottery, but was put back the following day and the person incharge of the syndicate was able to place the draw how can it be dishonest? yes maybe a simple IOU could have helped the situation but shes incharge of the lottery. And if it was placed on at the correct time there is no theft, which should mean her honesty is intact.

It was dishonest because the money had been given to her for safekeeping, not for her to dip into when she was short.

(You didn't really need to look up the word integrity, did you?)

kitkatt1982

Hi all, thanks for all your points, sorry I was away - feeding and bathing children! In answer to your questions, there were no issues that should prompt her colleagues to report this. And I agree that the issue here is about the honesty, not the initial 'theft'. There is no mention of 'gross misconduct' in her letter, just that the issue could result in a warning or possible dismissal.

hcb42

it is very heavy handed, for something which is not the company's money, and assuming she would have put the ticket on as normal.

At my last place of work we did DD once a month to our appointed coordinator!

nightingalesgarden

boobies wrote: »

It was dishonest because the money had been given to her for safekeeping, not for her to dip into when she was short.

(You didn't really need to look up the word integrity, did you?)

Totally agree - really not sure where the integrity threat is going here or how a broad definition applies in this situation. The issue/breach here is the theft, with additional investigation about her lying about it.

Different companies, different standards e.g. in some jobs you could take a 3 hour lunch break telling your boss and that would be fine - in others you would be considered AWOL. In one case you could be disciplined - the other not. Totally fair as long as the company is consistent.

ohreally

Why is the employer getting involved in an undertaking which is entirely private in nature?

Surely this is a matter for syndicate members to resolve.

amazingcookie

She should resign instead of making a fuss and looking around for a Union to represent her. If she's going to find legal advice to keep her job she's tempting her employer to call the police. No she's not honest, and no she doesn't deserve to keep her job, and yes she deserves to go to jail for theft.

nightingalesgarden

kitkatt1982 wrote: »

Hi all, thanks for all your points, sorry I was away - feeding and bathing children! In answer to your questions, there were no issues that should prompt her colleagues to report this. And I agree that the issue here is about the honesty, not the initial 'theft'. There is no mention of 'gross misconduct' in her letter, just that the issue could result in a warning or possible dismissal.

She will be asked her views in the hearing and this will be recorded/noted.

She can be prepared, take in notes and state her apology/explanation as part of the hearing. It would help if she has a few lines prepared and/or has copies that she can give the investigation/disciplinary managers

yvonne13_2

ohreally wrote: »

Why is the employer getting involved in an undertaking which is entirely private in nature?

Surely this is a matter for syndicate members to resolve.

Because if an employee make's an allegation it has to be investigated.