Will she be fired?

LadyMissA

Catherine_Johnson wrote: »

Er, yes she has stolen the money. The money was given to her by her colleagues, in trust that she would use it to buy lottery tickets. It wasn't given to her to buy bus tickets. So, clearly she has stolen it. And she obviously knew what she had done was wrong because she lied about it.

I really can't see any outcome apart from dismissal. If she'd dipped her hand into someone's pocket or purse and taken the money she'd certainly be dismissed, even if she claimed she was going to pay it back later. I really can't see any difference. It wasn't her money.

Suurely some of it it her money if she's in the syndicate?

silkyuk9

LadyMissA wrote: »

Suurely some of it it her money if she's in the syndicate?

I dont see the issue whos money it is, shes in charge of it as long as the lottery is placed fine, its when Sunday morning comes that the problems start if there is no ticket, win or lose.

boobies

silkyuk9 wrote: »

Yes we know she lied and thats going to be her down fall. No court in this land would prosecute someone who is in charge of a lottery syndicate for spending some of it on a bus fare,when the lottery was placed before the draw deadline (We do not know for a fact that the lottery was placed but I'm thinking it was)

I have not suggested that she has stolen, have I? The issue is breach of mutual trust and confidence, which is sufficient to constitute gross misconduct. You need to get away from the theft issue, this is not what she disciplinary is about.

pineapple

whitewing wrote: »

Three of her colleagues have been sufficiently concerned about her behaviour that they raised a formal complaint. Sounds like there is more going on than a simple one-off. How did they even know she had borrowed the money?

This is what I wondered. IMO it's a bit heavy on the colleagues' part - which makes me wonder if they have had concerns before. Otherwise it would be a bit severe to be sacked as it is not company funds. It also makes me wonder what the work relationship is like. If it was me I would just ask if anyone minded - or I would put in the IOU as suggested.

LadyMissA

boobies wrote: »

I have not suggested that she has stolen, have I? The issue is breach of mutual trust and confidence, which is sufficient to constitute gross misconduct. You need to get away from the theft issue, this is not what she disciplinary is about.

Is the lottery part of her job description? I think you are all getting a bit carried away here. I am sure the lottery is a mutal agreement with the people in it not part of your contract and not work related.

boobies

silkyuk9 wrote: »

I dont see the issue whos money it is, shes in charge of it as long as the lottery is placed fine, its when Sunday morning comes that the problems start if there is no ticket, win or lose.

If you are given an item for safekeeping, the implication is that it will be kept safely, not spent for replacement at a later date. Hence, the breach of mutual trust and confidence.

yvonne13_2

To be honest I think her employers are more concerned as they feel they cannot trust someone in charge of money. And for all we know her boss could be part of the syndicate.

boobies

LadyMissA wrote: »

Is the lottery part of her job description? I think you are all getting a bit carried away here. I am sure the lottery is a mutal agreement with the people in it not part of your contract and not work related.

As it is an activity that takes place in the working day and between work colleagues, it is sufficient to fall under the disciplinary code. Think about if a worker hit one of their colleagues whilst on their break but in the workplace. The employer would discipline them for it.

LadyMissA

boobies wrote: »

As it is an activity that takes place in the working day and between work colleagues, it is sufficient to fall under the disciplinary code. Think about if a worker hit one of their colleagues whilst on their break but in the workplace. The employer would discipline them for it.

I don't think you can compare the two. Like I keep saying surely part of the stake she took this bus fare from was her own? OP can you tell us how much the stake is that she pays and how much she took for the bus?

boobies

LadyMissA wrote: »

I don't think you can compare the two. Like I keep saying surely part of the stake she took this bus fare from was her own? OP can you tell us how much the stake is that she pays and how much she took for the bus?

Why can you not compare the two? Both mean that the individual has caused her colleagues and employer to lose faith in them and have doubts about integrity.