Bargain LCD HDTVs

ppg

have read somewhere that the Hannspree model can do 1:1 pixel mapping.

Here's an article (2003 so a bit old now) on pixel mapping just to confuse everyone even more
http://digitalcontentproducer.com/display/video_match/

on a different note, personally i dont worry too much about expensive big brand name LCD's as they can't change the basic facts that it is still LCD technology. A lot of these cheaper sets can IMHO perform aswell as many more expensive ones, particulary if the techniques are starting to mature. Perhaps some of these Chinese manufacturers also have more room to be flexible.

Rgs.

ppg

ippocampo wrote:

V7 LTV32DA - 32" Widescreen LCD TV HD Ready.

Spotted this after my neighbour bought one. Turned up within two days of ordering. They are very pleased with it. Can't find any more tech info on it and just who are V7?

matty69 posted a link to that one on page 3
http://www.digitalkind.co.uk/INU_Products/INU_ProdDetailsL8.asp?ref=M4442157

i thought V7 (Videoseven were originally a German company but not sure)

rgs

steve-le-shef

re -- sony and bargains,

i recently bought a mini dvd camcorder 205 model from bennetts, cost me 320 pounds but got 50 pounds cashback from sony, seen them selling in argos a few months earlier at 499 pounds.
thats a S & B for me.

londonman81

Mad_Ad wrote:

By constantly quoting this (now) mis-fact it just shows how behind you are with your opinions.

I'm talking from my experience of watching Arsenal vs Blackburn on some LCD TV's last Saturday in Currys Digital. There was some serious blurring. So it's not an old opinion.

L.S.D.

londonman81 wrote:

I'm talking from my experience of watching Arsenal vs Blackburn on some LCD TV's last Saturday in Currys Digital. There was some serious blurring. So it's not an old opinion.

Next time try an opticians, that may get rid of the bluring. LCDs outperform crt in all ways. Like it or lump it.

Towner_2

L.S.D. wrote:

Next time try an opticians, that may get rid of the bluring. LCDs outperform crt in all ways. Like it or lump it.

LCD's do not outperform CRT's via a SD input, anyone will tell you that.

bilbob_2

L.S.D. wrote:

Next time try an opticians, that may get rid of the bluring. LCDs outperform crt in all ways. Like it or lump it.

Erm, sorry , but that simply isn't true.
I speak as one who has a fairly expensive LCD and a couple of CRT's too, and have seen and sampled many, many lcds, and used to work in the tv trade.
On current SD broadcasts, from old fashioned analogue tv, through Freeview and cable and worse of all to Sky, CRT's in genera handle the signal far better, in general than current, average LCD panels. LCD's excel at high definition inputs, but on Sky most noticeably, LCD's struggle with the low bitrate broadcasts, that crts handle much better.

The reason the above poster saw an awful picture on the footie, was more than likely because it was either an analogue broadcast being handled by the tv's inbuilt tuner (always awful...) or via sky and shared via RF aerial cable (quite possibly worse!)
Watched via RGB scart, or even better Sky HD the real quality of a properly installed and set up panel can be seen. And in these circumstances, even a relatively low end panel can give quite surprising results.

Quickblood

Towner wrote:

LCD's do not outperform CRT's via a SD input, anyone will tell you that.

I agree, motion blur is still a problem even on the top end sets you can see it during certain fast action scenes.
They've done well to reduce it so much so that the Ghosting phenomena that plagued LCD displays of old has pretty much gone but what remains is a weird blur the moment something happens on screen that involves fast action.

I'd say most people can see it we shouldn't pretend it's not there, so many people notice it and there are articles all over the net about the problem but how big an issue it is will depend on the individual and whether the pay off is worth it and most people probably think it's not that bad.

I think the biggest problem with these sets is that they magnify the problems that CRTs sets don't. Like bilbob you want to be using Sky-HD and high quality cables for analogue broadcasts and I agree there's also the problem of low quality broadcasts on SKY as it is. I can see pixelation on some channels on my CRT so how would that look on a 42" inch panel. It's a shame that these things won't live up to their potential for so long, I considered getting Sky-HD last year but then I found out many shows on the channel aren't HD to me that makes the whole thing not worth it.

HaroldHamsun

Quickblood wrote:

I agree, motion blur is still a problem even on the top end sets you can see it during certain fast action scenes. .

I'm not too sure if the problem is motion blur so much as 'processing lag' (to coin a phrase).

Most of the quality LCDs that I've seen in showrooms playing HD pictures from a disc drive look superb, but I think it's noticeable that these demo discs are almost always scenes featuring slow moving action.Almost static,in fact.

Some of the HD broadcasts that I've seen from Sky look very good on LCD, but pixellation and blurring are often evident when it comes to fast action scenes (eg, football).

As I say, I'm not sure if this is a problem with the panels per se, or due to a combination of poor/compressed signals,conflicting resolutiuons and inadequate signal processing.

Currently,because there are so many competing standards, LCDs have to compromise in order to provide a watchable picture for whatever sort of signal is put into them.
Until there is a new,universal standard, I guess these problems will persist.

Lady_In_Seat_65

londonman81 wrote:

I'm talking from my experience of watching Arsenal vs Blackburn on some LCD TV's last Saturday in Currys Digital. There was some serious blurring. So it's not an old opinion.

That's in a TV shop, with lots of TVs hooked up on the same - internally looped - feed... Sorry Mate, you fell for the trick of the trade there.
The real test for LCD & Plasma is to see them at home (or someone else's home) in a real environment with a normal reception, not some shop set-up...