Daydream thread continues.....

Davesnave

choille wrote: »

I think we may be problem neighbours with all our 'growing on' cockerels, but we are a distance away from the neighbours from Hell.

I wish you guys were up the field from us instead!

Several neighbours here have cockerels and one has call ducks, which I think are possibly louder, but none has the ability or inclination to keep going for hours on end. I don't hear the cockerels now , but the ducks, being rarer, usually catch my attention and make me chuckle. They always seem to be sharing a big joke.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Davesnave.... really do sympathise...

Are his dogs licensed? it used to be if you had x amount of females of a breeding age ( dont even have to breed from them) you had to have a license..so dont know if that still stands.

What breed are they? dangerous dogs act?

If he is brreding or has bred, could you get them for using the property for commercial use, so his rates would change?

This sort of thing happened to us we build proper kennels ( planning etc) for our show dogs, but then the council said they were commercial, so we had to pay commerical rates on them:mad:

Then you have the problem with the 'dog waste' poop, sawdust/shavings etc...I am sure the water board would like to know, and the council, as to where he is disposing this waste...

If he is takinng it to the dump, he will need a waste carriers license to transport it. etc

A bid ott, but def worth looking into... especially if he is the type of person to advertise his puppies everywhere, and put signs up in his front garden..

Me I would go straight to the council, As there are a few potential neighbours who would complain.. he wouldnt know which one it is, so he will be arsey with all of you, which would ad more fuel to the fire, if they start complaining too;)

Davesnave

COOLTRIKERCHICK wrote: »

Davesnave.... really do sympathise...

Are his dogs licensed?

Me I would go straight to the council..

Not keen to dob people in it with the council, especially as I don't think there's anything they can have him for....and not without back-up from the other couple. No he doesn't know for sure it's us.

He isn't breeding now, thank God. He just has a U shaped plot of buildings with no green stuff to deaden sound, so the noise just echoes around and bounces out, our way.

And seriously, I don't want to stop him having dogs, nor do I expect them to be quiet all the time. It's just that we've had 23 hours of it this week so far.....:(

I also don't want a no-go area on our land, which is what we've allowed to develop by walking on eggshells. If he's home and he hears me up there he wants to know what I'm doing, and if he isn't, the dogs kick off until I leave. It's really difficult to think straight when I'm up there, but at least I know when he's not around!

I've succeded in keeping out of his way for ages, which has been playing into his hands really, hence the new approach. Not that he's realised yet. The blackthorn trees up there which have shielded him for so long are still in situ, they just aren't connected to the ground!

We are now entering a phase where future negotiations will be about what we put back, once the new fencing has gone in, and what we might have behind that fencing. Carrot as well as stick. I'll feel better once the fence is there though; at the moment it's too easy for him to hop across .....:(

COOLTRIKERCHICK

I would be the opp to you:cool:, it would be 'its my land, and i can do what i like' stance, Pigs would be nice up that area, just behind him.... lovely animals, but they do have a 'wift' about them, obviously you will need an electric fence;) for them:D.

You shouldnt need to sneak around your own land...

can you put in for argri planning for a huge barn or something, right behind his garden? or in a way that would restrict his view etc?

Sorry but I know all these seem a nasty route, but Having such a pants year, is just pulling me down now,and I have just become a grumpty of git... :rotfl:

lostinrates

I follow a line of appeasement where I can.

E.g....not tneighbours , so different, but they are hunting all around me today, and I can get hip pity hopping furious if they cross onto my land....or make an arrangement where they have something to lose if they do.

So, this morning all the hunt staff have parked here, used my mammoth mounting block, and the hounds got of and scent marks all around (hopefully enough to warn that pesky fox not to come here for a couple of weeks).

In return they will not cross my land and also, have agreed to ask followers to do as they have promised to do and go no faster than a steady trot past my very old girl and the horses when they pass, and they will be passing on three sides, so this is very valuable to them.

Itismehonest

Davesnave wrote: »

The couple who live opposite him were here first. Do they count? How has that worked in their favour?

It doesn't always but sometimes there's the 'moving into a house next to a railway & then complaining about the trains' scenario. You must have come across it when people move in &, say, complain about the cockerel next door where they've kept fowl for 30 years.
Sometimes the powers that be will still find against the longer term occupants but often public sympathy is with them.

Davesnave wrote: »

The noise wasn't there for us initially, though. The couple say it was there when he bred dogs. Nowthey say it's worse than ever. Unfortunately, while they could probably sort the matter through EH, being close and worst affected, they're not strong enough. Besides, if they want to sell, there's the delicate matter of Questions Before Contract.

Rather than write a long reiterative post, I'll just add that we've tried negotiationfor 30months, and we're where we arebecause there's no incentive for the other party to change. We're going to create more incentives, and quickly. Nothing we'll do will be irreversible, or there'd be no point.

But we're on a tight deadline now. Either we see some movement, or we must take another direction, not :wall: until we're no longer mentally & physically fit to take on something else.

In teacher-speak, "everything is a learning experience." We can take a lot from this place. Unfortunately, that doesn't include the soil! :rotfl:

If you're going to push the issue I'd strongly advise taking the legal (even if not with solicitors) route. It would be quite easy to find yourself painted as the baddie &, therefore, the one at fault.

Davesnave

CTC you're never that grumpity, and certainly never for long!:A

While there are lots of things we could do, I think that just removing his abilty to close his high double gates and disappear from human sight is the best way forward. He has neighbours and he needs to acknowledge it.

Like I said, we can reinstate the cover for him, very quickly, anytime..... if we get cooperation. All the work I'm doing is only stuff I stopped in 2010 at his request.

In other news, some locals here are upset that plans for a a controversial wind turbine has been passed, because the farmer moved its position into a field in Itsme's council area, instead of ours:

http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Delight-Keenor-family-Mounticombe-Farm-wind/story-17329555-detail/story.html

According to my inside source, who's been here over 60 years and knows it like the back of his hand, there's only a very few properties in Chulmleigh which will have any view of the turbine.

I think it's the thin end of a wedge, but doubts about the technology itself and reliability issues may yet save us from the worst that could happen.

Davesnave

Itismehonest wrote: »

Sometimes the powers that be will still find against the longer term occupants but often public sympathy is with them.

If you're going to push the issue I'd strongly advise taking the legal (even if not with solicitors) route. It would be quite easy to find yourself painted as the baddie &, therefore, the one at fault.

Sorry Itsme, but I don't think 'powers that be' or legal eagles are an answer. It's a human behaviour issue of the kind that leaves people :wall: for years. I'm not going there. Look at that stupid woman near Petersmarland with her 100 dogs. Took years for umpteen people to get anything done. Then she still carried on for a further year or so....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-who-kept-100-dogs-98677

My post was about bringing this problem to a head and either lessening it, or we move on and leave him to it. Simple as that.

It will be cheaper than developing this place for someone else's benefit. We won't lose any money; far from it. The only thing I resent losing is time.

Itismehonest

This article from the summer shows how ridiculous it's getting. Of course, there have been more applications since this was written.

The one thing that living surrounded by land owned by the Irrational Thrust is that their land is inalienable. It can't be built on & thing like turbines are only likely to be a problem if the 'charity' itself applies.
The biggest problem is watching them buy up properties & knowing that families will never ever have the opportunity of being able to own & pass it on again.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Davesnave...

Even though I have been known to be a fiesty mare on times:D:cool::rotfl: I know eactly the frame of mind you are in... I personally think the experience with the supermarket planning etc have taught me... a few things, and TBH have really knocked the stuffing out of me...

You did say early on this place wouldnt have been your first/ideal choice, and even though you say you like the place now, maybe in the back of your mind you still feel the same as before, and mr Dog is basically putting the tin hat on things... ( I might be 'barking':cool::p up the wrong tree though )

Some times things are not worth the energy or the rebrucions sp?..

With what is going on in the country, doom, gloom, recession etc... at least you do have a bit of control on certain homelife situations...

Tell you wot Daviebaby:D put your feet up and Have a nice cuppa and biscwit.... or two....:beer: