Euro Car Parks : "County Court judgement SUBMITTED" sent by registered post

memphis73

Hi,

The usual scare letters sent to me from Euro Carparks moved into a new territory today when I signed for an unmarked envelope, which contained a letter saying that :

"have submitted the following county court judgement" (no court listed, no court paperwork), for "the 31 parking charge notices", all issued to the "registered keeper" (strange as I wasn't the driver), total owing "£2670 plus £80 court fee".

"A schedule of these notices will be forwarded under separate cover".

It seems they are going officially legal - signed-for letter, new language. I would welcome opinions, and please feel free to DM me if this needs to be taken off the public forum.

I will post this identically on the other forums concerned, and thankyou in advance for any help.

taffy056

They can't submit a county court judgement (ccj) unless they actually take you to court , win the case and you refuse to pay the judgement within 28 days. If I was you I'd scan the paperwork in and host it on photobucket.com , pop over to pepipoo.com and post a new thread there with a link to the scan so they can take a look. Just remove personal details from it.

notts_phil

Dont worry about it until you receive genuine paper work from a county court

But if you could scan up the letter that would be good

Kite2010

Silly question, but have you received any genuine court paperwork previously and ignored it thinking it was a part of the scam?

What is that other PPC which sends copies of the paperwork used to file a claim at the smalls claims court saying "if you don't pay then this paperwork is going into the court" or something

vax2002

Why would they tip you off ?
If they could do it, they would.

give_them_FA

They cannot take ANY of the cases to court without being able to prove, in every individual case, who was the driver of the car.

It looks as if they are having their scamming severely curtailed by the fact that people are getting wise to them.

It is high time, in my opinion, that you send them a letter advising them that you will not be prepared to suffer any more harassment from them for their unproven and unjustified demands. Send a copy to Sainsbury's (and/or any other landowner involved) with a letter stating that they, as principal, are equally liable for the actions of their agents and the Notice applies to them also.

Send THAT by recorded delivery, and upon their very next misdemeanour, issue a claim against the company AND Sainsbury's etc. for damages under the Harassment Act. Adding in the incident where the Police were called, you could expect a healthy 4 figure sum. Your claim will stick- in any case I think the Landowner will fall over themselves to settle even if ECP are dim enough not to.

And they are indescribably dim- OK, they think the pee is being taken; but given their operation is barely legal, it would have been far smarter to have simply given it the Nelson touch. Now they have opened the door for you to get the Press involved- maybe even up to National level- and provided you with a great platform to proclaim to a new and wider audience- DON'T PAY THE CAR PARK COWBOYS, THEIR CHARGES ARE UNENFORCEABLE. Think what they will lose- idiots.

It will work, I have done it myself.

vax2002

Then they will know you are on the hook.
Complete and utter ignorance works best.
Treat them no differently to any flyer left on your window, such as earn £35 an hour writing envelopes.
Hands up anyone who has ever sat worrying about a get rich quick flyer ? Or put pen to paper.
Well these have a lot more in common than you think, both are scams to get money from you by people who do not want to do what you have to do to get money. WORK and sweat.

peter_the_piper

How did it get to 31? This is the sort of number where they could take a punt.

Kite2010

What was the term of the contract they are saying you breached?

give_them_FA

vax2002 wrote: »

Then they will know you are on the hook.
Complete and utter ignorance works best.
Treat them no differently to any flyer left on your window, such as earn £35 an hour writing envelopes.
Hands up anyone who has ever sat worrying about a get rich quick flyer ? Or put pen to paper.
Well these have a lot more in common than you think, both are scams to get money from you by people who do not want to do what you have to do to get money. WORK and sweat.

vax, have you read his previous posts on these issues? This appears to be a vendetta by ECP. He has enough, in my view, to sue them. He isn't admitting being the driver so they can't "have a punt" as Peter says- if they could they would doubtless have tried.

No this is unlawful harassment pure and simple probably by some maverick employee at local level. Maybe worth putting facts and documents before a solicitor who could make a complaint to the police that they wouldn't be able to gloss over. And a criminal conviction would mean an open-and-shut civil claim.

Coupon-mad

give_them_FA wrote: »

They cannot take ANY of the cases to court without being able to prove, in every individual case, who was the driver of the car.

It looks as if they are having their scamming severely curtailed by the fact that people are getting wise to them.

It is high time, in my opinion, that you send them a letter advising them that you will not be prepared to suffer any more harassment from them for their unproven and unjustified demands. Send a copy to Sainsbury's (and/or any other landowner involved) with a letter stating that they, as principal, are equally liable for the actions of their agents and the Notice applies to them also.

Send THAT by recorded delivery, and upon their very next misdemeanour, issue a claim against the company AND Sainsbury's etc. for damages under the Harassment Act. Adding in the incident where the Police were called, you could expect a healthy 4 figure sum. Your claim will stick- in any case I think the Landowner will fall over themselves to settle even if ECP are dim enough not to.

And they are indescribably dim- OK, they think the pee is being taken; but given their operation is barely legal, it would have been far smarter to have simply given it the Nelson touch. Now they have opened the door for you to get the Press involved- maybe even up to National level- and provided you with a great platform to proclaim to a new and wider audience- DON'T PAY THE CAR PARK COWBOYS, THEIR CHARGES ARE UNENFORCEABLE. Think what they will lose- idiots.

@memphis73 I would take this advice, as I understand that 'give them FA' has done this and got a settlement and is not the only one on this forum to have successfully gone on the offensive against the landowner/retailer. It's the flip side to the more usual 'ignore tactics' and the answer for those who have the stomach I think, particularly before the Freedoms Act takes effect.

In your shoes you may as well go on the offensive now and target the organ grinder (Supermarket?) not just the monkey (PPC). It is worth sending Notices Before Action for damages for Harassment, particularly if the PPC has been told you were not driving, or has not bothered to establish who was. And if need be, proceeding to Court naming all parties to the harassment, not just Euro. The Supermarket will hate it and may well call the PPC off - doesn't mean you have to call off your action though.

I reckon ECP HATE the fact we know they never do Court and have chosen one 'case' - but still don't seem to grasp that they have to know who the driver was...among other matters of which they have zero experience.