why is it that pedigree pups are so expensive?

Person_one

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

You can't have it both ways - either you don't like me calling a crossbred dog a mutt or you don't like me calling a dog with extreme genetic mutations a mutant. I can't be being snobby towards both at the same time.


A mutt is a casual name for a dog. Like moggie is a casual name for a cat. They both have specific roots to the words, but it doesn't really matter in the great scheme of things.

You've got mixed up, nobody is getting offended at the word 'mutt'.

You can be opposed to irresponsible breeding for extreme features and still own and love pedigree dogs!

suki1964

Person_one wrote: »

Poodle/lab crosses were one of the first of the 'designer' breeds and were originally intended to be working dogs. There are responsible breeders out there for this cross!

Why is it any more silly than paying £600 for a pedigree lab or a poodle? Laughing at your friend wasn't very nice was it?

"designer breed"???

Are you another whos fallen for the labels????

There is no such thing - its a crossbreed - a mutt - a mongrel

Until the breed has a standard that is recognised by the KC then it can be nothing else as no "breeder" has a clue what they are supposed to be producing

There can not be ""responsible breeders" for these "breeds" as these "breeds" are not recognised so there are no standards for breeders to attain, no health checks and scores

And I would pee my pants at those that buy "designer breeds" or "teacup" breeds for vast sums of money

Bobl

What a shame that you all seem to miss the point - a dog has no idea if it is pure breed or a cross breed, it only cares about the pack it lives with. It's only shallow humans who boast about the purity of their dogs an how much they paid for them.

We have two collies, both from the Dogs Trust, one is a cross between a Husky and a Collie (very intelligent and knowing), and the other is a border collie (mad as a box of frogs, but calming down now that she is 5!), but we didn't bring them into our family for their prestige, we just love them as part of the family.

The KC and everyone associated with should be ashamed of how they have created genetic problems within dogs.

Go to the Dogs Trust, you will be assured a loving dog who will give you years of love.

Person_one

suki1964 wrote: »

"designer breed"???

Are you another whos fallen for the labels????

There is no such thing - its a crossbreed - a mutt - a mongrel

Didn't notice the inverted commas then...

Gingham_R

Bobl wrote: »

The KC and everyone associated with should be ashamed of how they have created genetic problems within dogs.

I completely agree with this statement.

Having said that, I have a rescue mix that has had all sorts of health problems. People shouldn't get a rescue dog without having their eyes wide open.

Jellicat

Hmm...well, personally I don't get why people on a regular income would shell out thousands for a Boston Terrier or Frenchie or whatever the current "fashion" is. Frenchies are very cute and I would have one if I was rich enough to blow thousands on a dog, but at the end of the day a dog like that is going to be a pet, no better or worse than any other pet dog, so paying a few grand for one is not much different from paying a few hundred for a labrasporkadoddle or whatever the latest stupid name breed is. Pedigree dogs are subject to fashion too, the sudden boom in huskies in my area is testament to this, and it seems there is a lot of fuss in "fashion" circles over these small, short-faced breeds like frenchies and pugs. Personally I think one is no different from the other.

I want an Ibizan hound. I have met a few and they are lovely, but I will admit what initially attracted me to that breed is the exotic Anubis statue look of that particular breed. So it's not like I chose that breed because it's the best choice for me (though I wouldn't get a breed I think is unsuitable for me), I chose it for it's looks, which is no different from choosing it because it's "in" in my opinion. The danger becomes when these fashionable breeds get dumped because people realise a dog is a dog, not a fashion accessory.

As long as people love their dogs I couldn't care less if they are paying three thousand for a designer cross or a pedigree, it's their money. If it's a mutt they want I will always recommend the rescue first but sadly a lot of people don't want a rescue dog.

I do, however think the names are getting ridiculous. We have a lab mix, I think he is mixed with staffordshire and we affectionately refer to him as the "Stab" which is a nod to those silly hybridized names and the unfortunately reputation that the staffie has for being a chav dog. :rotfl:

catkins

Person_one wrote: »

Poodle/lab crosses were one of the first of the 'designer' breeds and were originally intended to be working dogs. There are responsible breeders out there for this cross!

Why is it any more silly than paying £600 for a pedigree lab or a poodle? Laughing at your friend wasn't very nice was it?

A lot of people buy labradoodles because they supposedly don't moult which is nonsense because I know a couple of people with them and they moult like crazy.

If you want a dog that genuinely does not moult there are breeds that don't, poodles being one of them so why bother to mix one with a labrador?

Person_one

catkins wrote: »

A lot of people buy labradoodles because they supposedly don't moult which is nonsense because I know a couple of people with them and they moult like crazy.

If you want a dog that genuinely does not moult there are breeds that don't, poodles being one of them so why bother to mix one with a labrador?

The original idea was that they could be guide/assistance dogs for people with allergies, an admirable goal but it didn't really pan out that way. For some reason the 'hypoallergenic' myth has stuck to them, and to other poodle crosses.

The few I've met so all seem to have lovely playful temperaments, which can't be bad, but also coats that look like they'd be a nightmare to keep tangle-free.

Hintza

catkins wrote: »

If you want a dog that genuinely does not moult there are breeds that don't, poodles being one of them so why bother to mix one with a labrador?

Poodles or Pudelhund used to be very fine German (water) retrieving dog with high intelligence unfortunately the French got hold of them ans used them a lot in the circus which for some reason put the Germans off them.

I'm not a huge fan of them but I think with a bit of careful breeding with good working Labrador Retriever (another water dog) stock there is the potential for a very good working strain of retrieving dog, if the breeding is done with care, which I suspect is generally not the case.

Person_one

Hintza wrote: »

Poodles or Pudelhund used to be very fine German (water) retrieving dog with high intelligence unfortunately the French got hold of them ans used them a lot in the circus which for some reason put the Germans off them.

I'm not a huge fan of them but I think with a bit of careful breeding with good working Labrador Retriever (another water dog) stock there is the potential for a very good working strain of retrieving dog, if the breeding is done with care, which I suspect is generally not the case.

Poodles are excellent working dogs as they are, just not quite suitable as guide dogs. They work as sniffer dogs, retrievers and a team of standard poodles once even raced as sled dogs, beating some of the huskies!