A job's a job..

Esoog

falko89 wrote: »

I agree with the OP, Its not worth it. I've just got out a job that made me sick and while now I am unemployed and on benefits I actually feel happier than I've ever felt. I can't say I hated my job as such more the people I worked with, the back stabbing, the politics, the bullying got to me and I was eventually diagnosed with general anxiety disorder,panic attacks and social anxiety I got put on meds and CBT which made me almost learn to accept, it wasn't right but I'd at least learned to accept it. I remember the only time I was happy was on an extended break from work like the Summer holidays, but even these where ruined by the thought of having to go back. Life was hell and I went through that week in week out for 6-7 years. The day I got made redundant was in fact one of the happiest days of my life so far. But you know what the worst part was? When you told anyone about this all you got was "A jobs a job" or "You should be grateful you have a job" Is it any wonder so many people die from suicide in this country, I also found the thought appealing at one time, but now I am free and am hopeful for something better however still having social anxiety isn't going to do much for my chances.

This probably isn't the thread to comment on this, but whilst on MSE I've seen a lot of people that seem to have problems/issues with panic attacks/social anxiety etc. I don't really even know what I'm trying to say with this post other than there seems to be a lot of people around nowadays that are not working due to these kind of issue, why is that do you think? No doubt some people that claim to suffer like this are just faking it to not work/claim DLA(?), but I've seen some pretty convincing accounts on here. And what can we do for these people? Shutting them up at home all day on benefits might solve a problem short term, but it's not really a long term solution to their issues or helping them get 'better' and into work; which I'm sure a lot of these people want to do.

EdJRobinson

I am currently on JSA and I must say that I want a job but where I live there is very little available to me with my experience and lack of working transport. Majority of jobs available in my area require HGV licence or something I cant afford to get in order to be able to apply for the job. All I would like is to get a job that I can do and get off JSA and start living again. Like someone said in an earlier post, JSA helps you exist. I dont want to exist, I want to live. I would like to be able to go into a shop and treat myself to something.

tescobabe69

No one should work if they dont want to, and benefits should be £26k (Max & min) I cannot so why a choice to live on benefits in a certain area or with kids should affect ones benefit.
So a flat payment for everyone of £26k regardless of commitments (I'm flexible on the amount), everyone will be able to buy their own property, job done, no problems, easy.

ILW

tescobabe69 wrote: »

No one should work if they dont want to, and benefits should be £26k (Max & min) I cannot so why a choice to live on benefits in a certain area or with kids should affect ones benefit.
So a flat payment for everyone of £26k regardless of commitments (I'm flexible on the amount), everyone will be able to buy their own property, job done, no problems, easy.

You're Gordon Brown aren't you.
Benefits for everyone.

LookingForNipsy

LookingForNipsy wrote: »

if you work full time you should be able to independently feed, clothe and house yourself and your family and very few people can do that on minimum wage.

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Nobody over 25 has to live on NMW unless they live with someone earning enough to put them over the limit for claiming tax credits or help with the rent.

Nobody over 25 has to live on NMW...because government tops up wages...hardly independent is it! I'm personally much angrier at government subsidizing businesses that pay badly than subsidizing people trying to look for work they enjoy.

dandelionclock30

I cant really see that many people want to be on £67.00 per week benefits.The problem is that there are not enough jobs and its o.k saying that you do not want to fund peoples lifestyle choice staying on benefits.You have no choice, the welfare state of the country will not let people who are unemployed or sick starve.
I could have said when I was working I didnt want to fund peoples lifestyle choices of having kids, and having to pay for schooling etc.But its the way it is,you have your tax taken off you and thats it.

LadyMissA

LookingForNipsy wrote: »

Nobody over 25 has to live on NMW...because government tops up wages...hardly independent is it! I'm personally much angrier at government subsidizing businesses that pay badly than subsidizing people trying to look for work they enjoy.

they prob do not top up everyones wages if on nmw

LookingForNipsy

19lottie82 wrote: »

LFN, this is a good idea in theory but sadly not realistic. If employers suddenly had to pay their staff an extra 50%, do you think they'd be able to keep all of their staff on, or even stay afloat?

It would have to be transitioned to over a few years with gradual increases to the NMW rather than suddenly introduced to give employers time to adjust but its definitely possible. Plenty of employers pay a living minimum wage and thrive, when the NMW was first introduced in 1999 many said unemployment would rise as a result but there's no evidence that happened.

morganedge

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

its o.k saying that you do not want to fund peoples lifestyle choice staying on benefits.You have no choice, the welfare state of the country will not let people who are unemployed or sick starve.
I could have said when I was working I didnt want to fund peoples lifestyle choices of having kids, and having to pay for schooling etc.But its the way it is,you have your tax taken off you and thats it.

exactly! . . .

lolavix

It's a difficult one.....I object to the people who genuinely just cant be arsed to work and just keep popping out kids, but I think a lot of people deserve more than they get - I know a mentally disabled guy in his 40s who has had all our old furniture because he gets so little in benefits he's constantly struggling, every job he has ever had they have let him go because he's so slow, he has even been let go from voluntary jobs, which i think is just sickening.

I'm lucky that I earn an ok ish amount of money, but when i was facing losing my job a couple of years ago i went to around 10 interviews and was willing to accept a job for a third of the money i was on, which wouldn't even cover my mortgage. Why? Because I don't want to be one of those people who relies on the state, I want to get to payday and feel like I'm working for my money.

Everyone has different morals, I don't blame the people who live on benefits for more than they could work for - I blame the government for letting them get away with it.

I find it shocking that people have the attitude that 'I used to pay 40% tax and will not take a job without that salary' - your tax does not just pay for your benefits now - it pays for the NHS, schools, and running the country, I may come across as narrow minded, but I would never take money from the government unless I really had to.