A job's a job..

gettingready

Oh, and I am not looking for a first job, I do not feel I need to prove myself and start from the bottom (again) - I have done it already and now have certifications/accreditations and years of experience to "prove" myself. Really do nto feel a dead end job would enhance my CV or career prospects.

So, till the job I want comes along - I will be living off taxes as some call it. but my own taxes that I have paid in over the years.

falko89

gettingready wrote: »

Oh, and I am not looking for a first job, I do not feel I need to prove myself and start from the bottom (again) - I have done it already and now have certifications/accreditations and years of experience to "prove" myself. Really do nto feel a dead end job would enhance my CV or career prospects.

So, till the job I want comes along - I will be living off taxes as some call it. but my own taxes that I have paid in over the years.

When I went into my last job, I had the experience, the qualifications I still had to start at the bottom once again, the thought of having to do that once again is pi$$ing me off, It seems length of time with said company is valued more than qualifications and experience you've gained elsewhere.

falko89

19lottie82 wrote: »

I know I'd rather have a job (even@minmum wage) mainly for the self respect of when I get my pay, knowing that I earned it, rather than just putting my hand out every week.

And as someone said you are working to build your experience and prospects to earn better money in the future. You can't just expect to walk straight in to a 30k a year position. I studied at uni for 4 years and started a job at just over minimum wage but have spent the last 6 years working my way up so now I earn a decent salary.
I could have sat about on the dole moaning about the crap wage I was on, but where was that going to get me?

Perhaps graduate positions are different but out side that i've found prospects are minimum. Its 90% politics 10% work, if your someone like me shy you've no hope.

dandelionclock30

Theres plenty of hope for people,I know loads of people with very dodgy backgrounds who have gone on to get good jobs.Its just the economy at the moment not because the unemployed or yourself are lacking in someway.
Being shy and quiet is an asset in many workplaces as employers often like people who dont rock the boat.That wont go against you at all.Employers love a strinking violet!
Yeah I agree its not really about the actual work.

ellanutella

I get so fed up being told I'm "lucky" to have a job in this climate. I'm not expecting to walk into an amazing job, but a job that pays salaried NMW (meaning no overtime), no sick pay, doesn't recognise bank holidays, splits days off so no weekend, unhealthy work environment meaning we all (not just moaning me) have bad backs and constant coughs and colds during the winter is not lucky. And then to add insult to injury I serve people all day getting free NHS help, receiving benefits, some of whom have never paid taxes in their lives, who are rude to me because I work in retail and am therefore obviously stupid.

If I had a job to be proud of, I'd be an excellent employee, but they don't make excellent employers anymore. Every contract I sign is worse than the last one, despite gaining more qualifications and experience.

However I wouldn't go back on benefits. Claimed JSA for 2 months after moving house and it was god awful.

19lottie82

falko89 wrote: »

Perhaps graduate positions are different but out side that i've found prospects are minimum. Its 90% politics 10% work, if your someone like me shy you've no hope.

It wasn't a graduate position. It was as a temp job as a filing clerk.

90% politics? Nonsense. Try 90% determination, hard work, and not thinking that you're better than minimum wage.

falko89

ellanutella wrote: »

I get so fed up being told I'm "lucky" to have a job in this climate. I'm not expecting to walk into an amazing job, but a job that pays salaried NMW (meaning no overtime), no sick pay, doesn't recognise bank holidays, splits days off so no weekend, unhealthy work environment meaning we all (not just moaning me) have bad backs and constant coughs and colds during the winter is not lucky. And then to add insult to injury I serve people all day getting free NHS help, receiving benefits, some of whom have never paid taxes in their lives, who are rude to me because I work in retail and am therefore obviously stupid.

If I had a job to be proud of, I'd be an excellent employee, but they don't make excellent employers anymore. Every contract I sign is worse than the last one, despite gaining more qualifications and experience.

However I wouldn't go back on benefits. Claimed JSA for 2 months after moving house and it was god awful.

I felt exactly the same way mate, everyone said exactly that to me, Excellent employers are a thing of the past.

Nine_Lives

Hmm, i've just had a quick skim through this since i last read it. Not a full read, just a skim...

I notice talk of progression. I've been in my job 14 years. I'm barely above NMW now. We're FORCED (yes, despite what you may say the law is, we're FORCED) to do overtime. We never know when we're going to finish until the moment we're told to go. We're treated poorly. It's the case of the beaten dog - constantly getting a whipping only to be told when anyone says anything "you should think yourselves lucky".

Ahh yes, thanks for that reassurance, i feel very lucky to be whipped daily.

As i say, 14 years in the job & barely above NMW. Anyone who puts in for a promotion (if they're good at the job they're doing) gets blocked.
One lad put in to transfer to a different department, he got told no chance - he's too valuable in the dept he's in.

So where's the progression for me? Ah yes, just to the next day so i can do it all over again.

Go and retrain for something else you may say. I'm getting a deposit together for a house which we're set to go and do next year. If i go and train for something else, i'll likely have to give up the job totally due to the hours of work i'm expected to do. And then when i complete the course 2, 3, 4 etc years down the line (& lost the earnings i would've had in that time, not to mention i need to afford to buy & run a house as of 2013), there's no certainty that i'll get a job at the end of it. Too many people are training for sweet FA other than a bit of paper saying "qualified". The worlds most expensive bit of paper!

Rock & hard place! Not really in a winnable situation. Want to get out & better yourself, but the risk is high.

vik6525

ellanutella wrote: »

I get so fed up being told I'm "lucky" to have a job in this climate. I'm not expecting to walk into an amazing job, but a job that pays salaried NMW (meaning no overtime), no sick pay, doesn't recognise bank holidays, splits days off so no weekend, unhealthy work environment meaning we all (not just moaning me) have bad backs and constant coughs and colds during the winter is not lucky. And then to add insult to injury I serve people all day getting free NHS help, receiving benefits, some of whom have never paid taxes in their lives, who are rude to me because I work in retail and am therefore obviously stupid.

If I had a job to be proud of, I'd be an excellent employee, but they don't make excellent employers anymore. Every contract I sign is worse than the last one, despite gaining more qualifications and experience.

However I wouldn't go back on benefits. Claimed JSA for 2 months after moving house and it was god awful.

Ive recently walked out of a job because of conditions (and worse) like you describe.

Its one thing for people to tell me how 'stupid' Ive been to leave, and how 'lucky' I was to have a job in the first place, but its quite another to have to work somewhere which has absolutely no heating (to the point where one of my colleagues contracted pneumonia), where I would regularly do 8 hour shifts with NO breaks (not even bathroom breaks, because there was NO TOILET on site), where I had to work with wiring and electrics that couldnt get a safety certificate, so they sparked and jumped all over the place, and god forbid something shouldve happened, because the fire escape had been concreted over.
Couple that with a boss who would happily SCREAM in my face and call me stupid in front of customers if I dared question anything....


So while Im job seeking now, I dont want a well paid job, I dont expect miracles. I just want a job where I can go for a wee if I need to

Esoog

falko89 wrote: »

I felt exactly the same way mate, everyone said exactly that to me, Excellent employers are a thing of the past.

I disagree personally, but I'd suggest there's a lot more bad employers than good ones :]