Primary school putting kids "in the naughty corner" if they need the toilet

**curlywurly**

Sparklyfairy wrote: »

That's AWFUL, curlywurly:o . I cannot believe a senior school toilet would be locked - that's just wrong.

My dr offered to write a letter & I'm thinking I just might ask her to do one for me..x

It was wrong, and my mum got involved. She only got involved at school twice - once over the toilet issue, and once when I was forced to jump off a diving board into the deep end at the swimming pool. I can't swim. Schools can be cruel places can't they? Thankfully the teacher who told me "you'll never amount to anything... school days are the best days of your life" was VERY wrong!

Well done for pursuing this issue on behalf of your little 'un. Sometimes it's just too easy to do nothing.

Nicki

skipsmum wrote: »

Newsreaders, vicars, shop workers, factory workers, bus and train drivers...hardly the same as 6 year old children!

Did you read the context :rotfl:? My first point was that at some point children needed to start to learn to control their toileting because they would need to do so as adults. That was queried on the basis that most adults at work had ready access to the toilet, and the bit you have quoted was in response to show that isn't always the case, or even the case for th majority of the working population.

No one has come back to say at what age children should start to learn this important life skill if the consensus is that 6 is too young.

Hanging_by_a_thread

In what other area of learning at the school, where a child doesn't get the concept as the teacher would like, are they punished and put in a naughty corner. None I would hope, especially at such young ages.

Knowing when you need the toilet is a learning curve. Some children dont feel the urge to go as strongly as others. So by the time they realise they need the loo they may just not be able to hang on.

I doubt very much any child would deliberately want to get to the stage where they wet themselves. To do this rather than face the punishment of being put in a naughty corner tells me that the child fears the teacher and her reaction.

As with all areas of learning children flourish when what is being taught to them is done in a positive manner. The children should be reminded of when the school expects them to take care of themselves and try to use the toilets. If for any reason a child of 6 does not go during the breaks, the message of the ideal times should be reinforced, but some understanding should be shown and allowances made.

I cant imagine having such hard and fast rules will work when dealing with 6 year olds. I hope this situation gets resolved soon OP.

vax2002

I would take them a copy of the regulations.
The key words are provision and provided.
If something is restricted it is not a provision.

I would want to know why a school teacher thinks the health and safety regulations do not apply to them.
They apply to prisoners, they must have provision of toilets, are our children to have less rights than murderers and rapists ?
I often wonder what with Isolation cells, enforced toilet times if some of our rather left wing teachers are acting out some gulag fantasy at the expense of our children ?
Some even seem to forget that they are OUR children we are trusting them with.

Owain_Moneysaver

Nicki wrote: »

As for adults using the toilet at will at work, that depends on the job. I've never seen a newsreader interrupt the news for a loo break, a vicar interrupt a church service, a doctor leave a consultation or a barrister leave court. Shop workers aren't usually allowed to leave the shop floor and factory workers can't leave the production line. Bus and train drivers don't park up for a wee.

Very few live news or other programmes are > 1 hr.

Vicars can pop out of church services - they just tell the congregation to have a nice long silent prayer.

I have seen court stopped for the defendant to use the loo.

Bus and train drivers have regulated hours and in the case of train drivers Personal Needs Breaks are negotiated through the union and included in their diagram for every shift. Most trains have toilets now even if stations don't, and even inter-city trains usually have a stop every 30 mins or so.

All very different from expecting a 6 year old to last between breaks every day.

Gingham_R

Nicki wrote: »

No one has come back to say at what age children should start to learn this important life skill if the consensus is that 6 is too young.

Toilet training? As soon as they're able - anything from 18 months upwards, depending on the child.

Learning to hold it a little longer? That comes with day to day living, not by being forced to do it. It comes from having to wait while someone else finishes in the loo at home or trying to wait till play time at school or until their journey is finished etc etc.

It DOESN'T come by being forced to wait. It DOESN'T come by being made to stand in a corner (where's the dunce's cap?) It DOESN'T come by having someone be 'cross' at them about it. :eek:

So my answer is that the learning can take place from potty training onwards but that it is hindered by the types of methods used at this particular school.

Sparklyfairy

Nicki - WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING MY QUESTION? Why do you feel that a 6 yo should be PUNISHED for needing the loo?

Sparklyfairy

Hanging_by_a_thread wrote: »

In what other area of learning at the school, where a child doesn't get the concept as the teacher would like, are they punished and put in a naughty corner. None I would hope, especially at such young ages.

I doubt very much any child would deliberately want to get to the stage where they wet themselves. To do this rather than face the punishment of being put in a naughty corner tells me that the child fears the teacher and her reaction.

Absolutely spot on.

Sparklyfairy

Vax, thank you very much for that info & all for the guidance..it really means a lot. xxx

Sparklyfairy

Nicki, please tell me that you do not work with children...