Parking Charge with Leased car

ManxRed

He's still stating that it is a fine, so clearly he hasn't bothered reading your email. You might wish to email again asking him to read it properly this time.

The fact that it ISN'T a fine issued by an authorised body with such statutory powers to do so, means it ISN'T covered by the terms and conditions he refers to in the last sentence.

Muppet.

The_Slithy_Tove

Find the Ts&Cs they refer to, and the bit that relates to "fines and penalties" as it probably does. The quote it in your reply, pointing out that what you have is neither of these, and therefore the particular clause in the Ts&Cs does not apply in this case.

angel_islington

You might need to write the whole thing in a MASSIVE FONT LIKE THIS because he clearly is unable to read normal sized text.

It's so frustrating to read stuff like this because the email reply was so lazy. The OP could not have been more clear that THIS IS NOT A FINE. What else can he do?

I would be tempted to write to them with five pieces of A4 paper.

THIS

IS

NOT

A

FINE

It would be like that famous Bob Dylan video.

Coupon-mad

MacBudman wrote: »

Reply from my car leasing dept:

Hi **********

I need to advise you that while the below may be true in regards to your own car where you are the registered keeper the car involved here is a lease car where there are 3 parties involved, a leasing company, *my work authority and a driver ie yourself.

I wont pay the fine if you dont wish me to however I need to advise that the leasing company are the registered keepers of the vehicle, if they receive these parking fines regularly they will eventually pay it and invoice us, this will also include an admin fee of £25 plus VAT, this would be passed onto yourself as per the lease car terms and conditions you agreed to when taking on a lease car, ie the **my work** is entitled to be imdemnified for any financial penalty it incurrs due to traffic/parking charges.

Regards
**********

Any thoughts and guidance on my next step would be much appreciated.:)

Repeat and say you fully acknowledge the t&cs from the lease car terms. Re-state that you fully accept that '**my work** is entitled to be imdemnified for any financial penalty it incurrs due to traffic/parking charges.'' But the point is that this is NOT a financial penalty, nor has it been incurred by anyone other than the driver personally, nor is such a speculative charge covered by the t&cs.

Then quote this bit ''while the below may be true in regards to your own car where you are the registered keeper the car involved here is a lease car where there are 3 parties involved...''. Say that whilst you understand why he may think that, the truth about these charges is that it simply isn't the case that anyone else is involved. These companies do write to the registered owner/keeper speculatively but know full well the driver is the only person possibly involved.

Word it carefully and politely, say that you are not trying to be difficult, you are just telling 'my work' and the lease company categorically that this is not a fine and is not their liability at all. Only one party is involved, the driver personally, and there is no comeback on 'my work' nor on the lease company a it's not a fine, not even a parking ticket although these companies do dress it up to impersonate one. A real PCN is from a Council and is called a Penalty Charge Notice and this is NOT one of those, it is a fairly well-known scam and it would be astonishing if a lease company just paid any invoice from any company that quoted one of their car registrations.

Finish with this link and ensure that the Leasing Company look at it and consider using the template letters that are suggested for lease companies. The BVRLA are the UK trade association for lease companies. Wait for the results to load and then click on the BVRLA first Google result with the search & template letter one and letter two:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bvrla+private+parking

Sorry I can't link the BVRLA result without causing an error, so have had to provide you with the Google Search that takes you to the result with the template letters. Maybe print them out and attach to a letter?
HTH

The_Slithy_Tove

Alternatively just send them your original letter again, with a note saying "please read it this time."

give_them_FA

MacBudman, my impression is that your letter was too long. Do not forget letters are not always read by intelligent people, and it is easy to miss the wood for the trees.

You are not writing to a lawyer. Perhaps shorter and to the simple point next time?

MacBudman

Sorry folks, I had to go out just after my last post today so are just reading the responses now.


Further development since then.


Before I went out today, I called the main car leasing company that supply the vehicles to my organisation for some clarity on the e-mail received from my car leasing dept.:(
To cut a long story short here is the latest e-mail to my car leasing dept and response.


MacBudman response to my car leasing dept's response to my e-mail the other day !!




Hi **********,

Thanks for getting back to me,

I have since contacted **Main car leasing supplier to my work** regarding this issue but unfortunately got two conflicting answers !

First I was informed that they would normally pay the charge eventually as you said, but he then put me through to another member of staff with more experience with parking charges. He informed that they are not duty bound to pay a private parking company due to the scale of claims that they receive throughout the year Their normal procedures are to forward the parking company with details of the person in charge of the vehicle at the time of the claim.


I would be happy with the later if that was the case, however as there are to conflicting possibilities he suggested that I contact ******** ********* who is head of the department to confirm either way.

Will keep you informed of any further developments.

Thanks,
MacBudman *********


latest response from my leasing dept:




Hi *********

They are right in what they are saying in that they would not normally pay a private parking company, however if the same private parking company was to bombard them with notice after notice then eventually they would have pay this as they are within their rights to do so as per the contract we have with them, the same way we have this right as per the lease car terms and conditions we have with yourself. **car leasing supplier** would be indemnified of any charge by ourselves and we would then be indemnified of any charge by the driver/******* employee who leases the car.

The driver/******** Employee is responsible as it is they who are in control/possession of the car. Should we receive any further notifications we will pass your details on to ?**wrong PPC name**?? parking as you have requested and they can then deal direct with yourself on the matter.

Regards

************

I think this guy is trying his best to help my situation, which I thank him for., but I definitely think he needs to experience a PPC agreement for himself



Anyway, that is all the updates at present and will now look through all your kind replies to what now feels like a saga.., for my next response.


Think I will go listen to some of that Bob Dylan video that angel_islington mentions
THIS


IS


NOT


A


FINE

Was watching that on cable TV a few weeks ago :)



Reagards,
MacBudman

MacBudman

give_them_FA wrote: »

MacBudman, my impression is that your letter was too long. Do not forget letters are not always read by intelligent people, and it is easy to miss the wood for the trees.

You are not writing to a lawyer. Perhaps shorter and to the simple point next time?

Hehe, You are probably right, give them FA. That's why I stopped taking personal development courses at work because I always ended up with at least 11000 words for a 3000 word essay and spent most of my time at nights trying to trim the f******s down:o
But seriously.., yes I should try to get to the point much quicker

esmerobbo

I cant understand why lease companies if you are going to be having a car for say over three months don't register the leased car in the keepers name CO their address.

Motorbility do this, so any real PCN's FPN's or NIP's go straight to the keeper, which after all is the person who is keeping the car!

Most come brand new so it would not add a keeper to the V5, and it would save all this sort of hassle.

Or they should formulate a letter saying as you are working on a commercial basis and not a statuary right to this information, we would be pleased to give you the requested information for £100!
I did this once years ago with parking spy, when one of my trucks was on a services, never heard from them again!

angel_islington

MacBudman, your more recent emails have changed tone somewhat. The first one was spot on, it was firm, clear but polite. You told THEM what the deal is. The latest ones seem to be less firm, it looks like you are asking them what they think. That's not going to work for you because it's clear that they don't know the facts.

I've no idea why they are saying that if they get bombarded with charges then they will pay it. They say it's their right to do so, you could argue that it is. It's my right to go and give £90 to a random bloke in the street if I want to, but I don't have to. They don't have to pay anything.

I think you are going to need to send them another email, confirming to them the situation, that's more in tone with the first one you sent. Keep it polite, as you have been, but you are telling them facts. It's also worth checking out the situation regarding what you would do IF they deducted the charge from your salary, so you can use that in your reply. You might need to talk to ACAS for clarification.

There's so much ignorance with regards to these charges, it's so frustrating. I'm convinced these chaps still think it's a real fine.