Devo-max for Scotland?

mcfisco

we will keep the revenues from the oil & gas, whiskey, tourism, renewable

Whiskey? - you call yourself a Scot?

youropinioncounts

Azari wrote: »

That's because the evidence of how life would be within the union is there for everybody to see.

So that would be run by a Tory Government that is despised in Scotland and can only get one MP.

That would be massive cuts.

That would be talked down to and told your Parliament has no power and Westminister can over rule it, ignore it, amend it or abolish it.

That would be told your money is monopoly money and "we wont take that"

That would be "The Queen of England" and "The Bank of England".

That would be a national anthem that used to say "crush those rebelious Scots".

Just to name a few, what benifits? I cant see any.

Optimist

youropinioncounts wrote: »

As far as I can see it will improve our life because we will keep the revenues from the oil & gas, whiskey, tourism, renewable energy sector, coal, all the taxes an independent government collects just to name a few things.

The government will be in Edinburgh not London so more accountable and less anamosity.

If the oil can be a basis for the UK government and keeps 60 million I fail to see how it cannot be the basis for an independent Scotland of 5 million.

Before somone jumps on the bandwagon that we cant rely on the oil, we wont be we have lots of other industries.

All the benifits will be in the Prospectus for Independence when its published.

It is simple maths it is easier to keep 5 million than 60 million so we would be richer.

The sooner we have a legally binding referendum with a Yes/No answer the better for all of us then.

Azari

youropinioncounts wrote: »

As far as I can see it will improve our life because we will keep the revenues from the oil & gas, whiskey, tourism, renewable energy sector, coal, all the taxes an independent government collects just to name a few things.

That is incredibly naive.

The government will be in Edinburgh not London so more accountable and less anamosity.

That one is true.

If the oil can be a basis for the UK government and keeps 60 million I fail to see how it cannot be the basis for an independent Scotland of 5 million.

That assumes that the rest of the UK is going to give you the right to tax all the oil and keep all the proceeds.

To put it bluntly, that is not going to happen.

Before somone jumps on the bandwagon that we cant rely on the oil, we wont be we have lots of other industries.

All the benifits will be in the Prospectus for Independence when its published.

It's not 'jumping on the bandwagon'. It is naive in the extreme to believe that you can quickly replace the enormous oil and gas revenues with some unspecified 'other industries'.

If the Scots were capable of this feat of near magic, why have they not already started these industries?

It is simple maths it is easier to keep 5 million than 60 million so we would be richer.

Three words: Economies Of Scale.

Not only that, at the moment, if Scotland has a problem, there is the cushion of the whole of the UK to help out (and, similarly, as part of that cushion, the Scots help out if some English or Welsh region has a problem). With complete financial devolution, Scotland would have to go it alone and not have the rest of the UK for support during localised hard times.

youropinioncounts

mcfisco wrote: »

Whiskey? - you call yourself a Scot?

Typo, thats how the irish and americans spell it though.

youropinioncounts

Azari wrote: »

That is incredibly naive.

It is not naive its true.

Azari wrote: »

That assumes that the rest of the UK is going to give you the right to tax all the oil and keep all the proceeds.

To put it bluntly, that is not going to happen.

It will happen it lies in Scottish waters, it is ours.

Azari

youropinioncounts wrote: »

It is not naive its true.

You carry on believing that if it makes you happy.

But don't ever learn any economics or you might get a very nasty shock!

It will happen it lies in Scottish waters, it is ours.

It lies in British waters. Good luck with getting Westminster to hand it all over to the Scots.

(Clue: They won't.)

mcfisco

I've got to laugh, with the snp banging on about independance for years & years and suddenly realising that the majority of Scots won't want it they throw in a third option of devo max

They've known all along that the majority of Scots don't want it
And whilst not have an overall majority in government they could stand up, do their Braveheart speeches about what'll happen come the day ........etc.

Well that day has well and truly come and they can't back away from it any more, they need to deliver the most fundamental part of their manifesto and give Scots the vote on independence.
Losing a referendum would be a bloody nose for the SNP so they're looking to water it down [Devo Max option] without losing credibility and leaving it as late as they can in the hope that they can get their message across.
We can manage a general election with only a few weeks campaigning, why not a referendum?

youropinioncounts

Azari wrote: »

You carry on believing that if it makes you happy.

But don't ever learn any economics or you might get a very nasty shock!



It lies in British waters. Good luck with getting Westminster to hand it all over to the Scots.

(Clue: They won't.)

Your the one that needs to keep believing what will make you happy.

Yes CURRENTLY it is British waters but when Scotland gains its independence they will become Scottish waters.

Azari

youropinioncounts wrote: »

Your the one that needs to keep believing what will make you happy.

Not really. I'm a disinterested party. I can, however, spot someone who is allowing their emotions to blind them to economic realities.

Yes CURRENTLY it is British waters but when Scotland gains its independence they will become Scottish waters.

If you seriously believe that the British government will simply hand over all future oil revenues to a devolved Scotland you are several sandwiches short of a picnic.