DWP Recruiting Again - 2012

leamingtonspaceman

MakemBill wrote: »

What a heap of tosh!

This thread has been generally supportive and constructive. It'll take a lot more than a bigoted sh*t for brains like you to come on and dampen the enthusiasm these guys have got for a half decent job. You may have been fortunate to have quality jobs in your time, apart of course from your disastrous job in JCP. However, I’ll bet that wherever you went for a job after JCP (if it wasn’t actually bringing your own bloody fleas into the office on sign on day) the job you so despised was pumped up to the nines on your feeble CV along with the way you handled customers with respect and courtesy... Bo**ocks!

You say you were an EO. If you find it funny that some plonker decides to smash up the office for not getting his own way then I’m sure the bosses in that office didn’t bemoan your well overdue departure. I’m sure the good people on this thread, many of whom, as JCP customers, you besmirch with your cavalier attitude towards them through your derogatory comments will lose no sleep whatsoever if you never appeared on here again taking the mickey out of what they regard as a good step in the right direction.

It’s about time the Spaceman went travelling.

Why do people have to make it personal. Is this how you always react if someone says something you disagree with?

I don't think someone smashing up an office is funny...that was irony...irony I tell you. Ironic in that those who don't resort to violence still have to turn up every two weeks to sign on...show advisors what they've been doing to try to get work...whereas the violent guy gets to sit at home doing nothing and still gets paid. You said he was a 'plonker'...yet you've said I've made derogatory comments about JCP customers. I haven't done any such thing...but you just have...doh!!!

I have not besmirched anyone...I've just described my experiences. For some reason it has really niggled you...and you've reacted...personally, angrily and with obscenities thrown in for good measure.

How do you know I have a 'feeble' CV? Can you provide a link or evidence?

We all have differing perspectives and experiences.

So just chill-out and embrace the diversity.

MakemBill

:rotfl:

leamingtonspaceman wrote: »

But you won't be given the chance. Job Centres really have no idea how to help people. There are people who go there in real need...people with mental health issues, learning difficulties, disabilities. Yet none of your training will have anything to do with this. You are not given the extra time needed to help vulnerable people. All you have are targets...how many people you interview...nothing to quantify whether you helped them or not.

The best thing is the 'mystery shopper'...yes, there is one. When they come in, they make themselves known and jump the queue, get seen first and get special treatment...regardless of who else is waiting.

If you want a job helping people, support working, key working...counselling are much more rewarding careers.

Okay, so some are not overjoyed by my comments...but others have come out in agreement.

Hey...Space Oddity. You'll always get someone who thinks that you're funny when you come on !!!!ing on people's dreams.

That's human nature.

If you're not interested in the job, why have you come on here with your vitriolic spiel?

I guess it’s because you take fun out of other people’s weaknesses; in this case their need for employment.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you were shown the door when JCP got rid of the crap and are upset that some of the people on here may actually prove that the job can be done successfully.

The Civil Service doesn’t want negative individuals who just want to get something for nothing (like stealing time to eat your bleeding cornflakes…how sad!!). They’re after people who will strive to do a god job, which is why the process for employing the right people is tough and would have routed you at the sift; if you’d managed to get through the test. Although as a former EO, I would guess that you are who Dr Laurence Peter was looking at when he dreamed up his Peter Principle…(Google it!!)

Do us a favour: go away and find another cause to stick the knife into. I hear there is a cheap world holiday going…Tehran, Damascus, Pyongyang and Kabul. Maybe we could chip in a few quids worth of spendies if you can pack by morning.

I guess you’d be unlikely to skit your government and employers so readily there. But hey, as we’re almost always positive on here…good luck with it.

welshjoe27

MakemBill wrote: »

What a heap of tosh!

This thread has been generally supportive and constructive. It'll take a lot more than a bigoted sh*t for brains like you to come on and dampen the enthusiasm these guys have got for a half decent job. You may have been fortunate to have quality jobs in your time, apart of course from your disastrous job in JCP. However, I’ll bet that wherever you went for a job after JCP (if it wasn’t actually bringing your own bloody fleas into the office on sign on day) the job you so despised was pumped up to the nines on your feeble CV along with the way you handled customers with respect and courtesy... Bo**ocks!

You say you were an EO. If you find it funny that some plonker decides to smash up the office for not getting his own way then I’m sure the bosses in that office didn’t bemoan your well overdue departure. I’m sure the good people on this thread, many of whom, as JCP customers, you besmirch with your cavalier attitude towards them through your derogatory comments will lose no sleep whatsoever if you never appeared on here again taking the mickey out of what they regard as a good step in the right direction.

It’s about time the Spaceman went travelling.

I generally find your posts quite good Bill. You might not agree with what the dude said but there was no need to personally attack him in the way you did. It was a silly route to take and was out of order to be honest.

Make friends!

Holly37

MakemBill wrote: »

Hi Holly.

Well done and good luck.

Those results are hopefully good enough to get you through to the end game. I suppose being in London you have excellent transport links which will enable you to go to any number of offices. Is that the case for you?

Hi MakemBill,

Thanks! Hopefully my results will scrape me through I would have felt more comfortable with a score of 35+ as I do NOT want to be placed on a waiting list! I have only applied to JC's near to me as I cant afford to travel too far - but yes, the transport links from where I live are quite good - Have a horrid feeling the wait list is where I'll be placed though ..

poker21

leamingtonspaceman wrote: »

I'm not applying for a DWP job...I used to work there.

Even if I didn't have an option, I would never work there again.

One of the most comical things I came across in my time there was when a guy who didn't get his own way smashed the place up. His punishment...he didn't have to attend his signing-on for a year...just send in postal signings. No requirement to evidence job searching or demonstrate evidence of applying for jobs. His punishment was to be given the easy life just to make things easy for staff who didn't have any power to deal with him in a suitable manner.

Unbelievable.

Every so often we had to have the office fumigated to get rid of flea infestations. I'd get home at night stinking of cannabis, passed on by customers. The G4S security guards were about as useful as a one legged-man in an !!!! kicking competition...I could go on.

I'm telling you all...don't work there. You'll be unhappy, depressed, unmotivated and unfulfilled. I'd rather work in a slaughterhouse than work in a Job Centre.

Do you honestly think that your unhelpful comments will make any one of us withdraw our applications.
If you can't add anything valuable to this thread then perhaps you should keep your negative opinions and views to yourself.

leamingtonspaceman

poker21 wrote: »

Do you honestly think that your unhelpful comments will make any one of us withdraw our applications.
If you can't add anything valuable to this thread then perhaps you should keep your negative opinions and views to yourself.

The reader dictates the polarity of the post. A negative mind sees negative comments. I don't see them as negative...just honest. This isn't a 'love-in' is it? If my comments bring out a reaction in you...then look at yourself for the reason for your feelings.

Why do you people have to get so 'uppity' about things. If you react like this to something as innocuous as an internet post...how are you going to react to nasty customers at JCP?

Go and have a lay-down...listen to a guided meditation CD, and come back full of love.

leamingtonspaceman

MakemBill wrote: »

:rotfl:


Hey...Space Oddity. You'll always get someone who thinks that you're funny when you come on !!!!ing on people's dreams.

That's human nature.

If you're not interested in the job, why have you come on here with your vitriolic spiel?

I guess it’s because you take fun out of other people’s weaknesses; in this case their need for employment.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you weyre shown the door when JCP got rid of the crap and are upset that some of the people on here may actually prove that the job can be done successfully.

The Civil Service doesn’t want negative individuals who just want to get something for nothing (like stealing time to eat your bleeding cornflakes…how sad!!). They’re after people who will strive to do a god job, which is why the process for employing the right people is tough and would have routed you at the sift; if you’d managed to get through the test. Although as a former EO, I would guess that you are who Dr Laurence Peter was looking at when he dreamed up his Peter Principle…(Google it!!)

Do us a favour: go away and find another cause to stick the knife into. I hear there is a cheap world holiday going…Tehran, Damascus, Pyongyang and Kabul. Maybe we could chip in a few quids worth of spendies if you can pack by morning.

I guess you’d be unlikely to skit your government and employers so readily there. But hey, as we’re almost always positive on here…good luck with it.

Hey...thanks for the reply.

It was my colleagues who stole time...made a lot if us newbies sick to be honest. If JCP doesn't want people like this...why has this culture developed?

I think I already said that I left...yep, I did.

Why are you saying "if I'd got through the test?" I had to go through those tests when I got a job with the DWP...basic literacy and numeracy...easy. The tests aren't tough enough.

Why do you assume that people need to "google it?"

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence

Other peoples weaknesses are other peoples strengths...so...no.

"Vitriolic spiel"...nothing of the sort...just recounting experiences. If you see vitriol...vitriol will see you. "If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out."

LookingForNipsy

leamingtonspaceman wrote: »

But you won't be given the chance. Job Centres really have no idea how to help people. There are people who go there in real need...people with mental health issues, learning difficulties, disabilities. Yet none of your training will have anything to do with this. You are not given the extra time needed to help vulnerable people. All you have are targets...how many people you interview...nothing to quantify whether you helped them or not.

The best thing is the 'mystery shopper'...yes, there is one. When they come in, they make themselves known and jump the queue, get seen first and get special treatment...regardless of who else is waiting.

If you want a job helping people, support working, key working...counselling are much more rewarding careers.

Okay, so some are not overjoyed by my comments...but others have come out in agreement.

I've had to sign on a couple times and dealt with many advisers in a few different offices. Some were crap and unhelpful but others really paid attention to me and were absolute angels - I was definitely helped and I hope to do the same for others as much as the job will allow.

I'm sure the system is failing some people and that's a real shame but isn't it better to encourage people to try and make improvements if they get this job rather than tell them not to bother with it at all?

leamingtonspaceman

LookingForNipsy wrote: »

I've had to sign on a couple times and dealt with many advisers in a few different offices. Some were crap and unhelpful but others really paid attention to me and were absolute angels - I was definitely helped and I hope to do the same for others as much as the job will allow.

I'm sure the system is failing some people and that's a real shame but isn't it better to encourage people to try and make improvements if they get this job rather than tell them not to bother with it at all?

At last, someone who doesn't get all defensive and burst a blood vessel when they disagree with something. A calm, measured and sensible response and one that makes others think again and reconsider.

Maybe this is how it'll work out for you...I hope so.

Funnily enough I bumped into one of my old colleagues today. She started when I did and when we were both offered permanent contracts, I declined but she accepted. She told me that their hands are tied. She gets frustrated. I know that I often referred vulnerable customers to a support worker but was often told not to do this by senior management because it wasted time? I was one of the few who would sit with tearful and upset customers...but was told I shouldn't do it.

If you go in wanting to introduce a wider scope, they won't let you.

It should be a caring environment.

I hope though, that you at least get the opportunity to touch at least one persons life and redirect it for the better.

tsimehC

leamingtonspaceman, you're focusing way too much on the negative aspects of the job which may or may not be the case for these new recruits. I also "happened" to bump into former colleagues and they were pretty content with the current situation although they resented the fact that the workload had increased since the FTAs left (not rocket science that I suppose). They didn't have anything positive to say about the Work Programme though so I guess it's just another New Deal re-labelled as something revolutionary.

MakemBill: The "crap" that had their contracts expired are not even in the same group as leamingtonspaceman's. I was in the former group and I guess all the well-wishes, former colleagues staying in touch, gifts I got from the providers I worked closely with were/are just doing that for the sake of being polite. xD

Ah and targets spaceman, you mentioned something about it being just a ticking game but I have to disagree strongly there. Maybe you were put into a poor team or something but I had very clearly defined targets which were set weekly by my LM and bi-monthly by district managers (I'll admit these higher-ups were slightly out-of-touch with reality when it came to expectations).

Anyway, like you, I do hope the advisers waiting in the wings do a grand job of the Youth Contract objectives and beyond that. For now, it's back to fine-tuning my "feeble-CV".