About to be sent to the work programme...

strangeotron

Adamthegreat984 wrote: »

Been on the work programme since august and i have to say its truely awful, i dread my appointments and the homework just leaves me with no time to do anything else.

Also pray they don't arrange you a next step appointment as that will make things 10 times worse, all i want is a job not being fed this guff !

homework? what is that about?

Mark_h_4

TerryG wrote: »

Really? So they can put you forward for any odd job? Do i have no say?

Surely the fact you are getting a job at all is the main point? 'beggers cant be choosers'

strangeotron

LadyMissA wrote: »

my first homework was to complete 500 pages online for a Hospitality Module, write a list of retail companies and search their website for office based admin work, keep a full list of all jobs I apply for that are direct with the employer.
2nd homework - do an Excel refresher online that I did the same night in 3 hours online, redo my CV and email in & write a list of companies I want to work for and then again look on retail sites for admin jobs and list those, keep a list of all the agencies I contact or chase re applicatins and also the ongoing list of actaul jobs with direct empolyers. All this is on top of the job searches and other jobs I apply for on a daily basis which I keep a log of and show when I sign on.

500 pages?

strangeotron

Mark_h wrote: »

Surely the fact you are getting a job at all is the main point? 'beggers cant be choosers'

Do you really think that's the attitude society needs? Stick any old claimant in any old job, without a thought for whether they are suitable? We should be creating worthwhile jobs, not simply using the unemployed to line the pockets of big business (which is all this WP scheme seems to do). This nothing of 'beggars can't be choosers' is just ridiculous. It's the 21st century, and people think all this is good?

The WP is actually supposed to help people find suitable work precisely for these reasons; that's why the payment model relies on sustained long term employment. That won't happen if people are stuffed into crappy jobs for crappy wages.

My god, we really have fallen far from grace as a society that we are happy to settle for this - and to scorn those that don't!

Mark_h_4

strangeotron wrote: »

Do you really think that's the attitude society needs? Stick any old claimant in any old job, without a thought for whether they are suitable? We should be creating worthwhile jobs, not simply using the unemployed to line the pockets of big business (which is all this WP scheme seems to do). This nothing of 'beggars can't be choosers' is just ridiculous. It's the 21st century, and people think all this is good?

The WP is actually supposed to help people find suitable work precisely for these reasons; that's why the payment model relies on sustained long term employment. That won't happen if people are stuffed into crappy jobs for crappy wages.

My god, we really have fallen far from grace as a society that we are happy to settle for this - and to scorn those that don't!

Is it the right attitude that some people often say 'im looking for a job thats 16 hours a week because thats all I HAVE to do to keep my bennifits'? of course it isnt but it still happens.

SarEl

strangeotron wrote: »

Do you really think that's the attitude society needs? Stick any old claimant in any old job, without a thought for whether they are suitable? We should be creating worthwhile jobs, not simply using the unemployed to line the pockets of big business (which is all this WP scheme seems to do). This nothing of 'beggars can't be choosers' is just ridiculous. It's the 21st century, and people think all this is good?

The WP is actually supposed to help people find suitable work precisely for these reasons; that's why the payment model relies on sustained long term employment. That won't happen if people are stuffed into crappy jobs for crappy wages.

My god, we really have fallen far from grace as a society that we are happy to settle for this - and to scorn those that don't!

Much as I have some sympathy with your view, what is a "worthwhile job" and who is going to create it? Jobs are created by businesses, and they create jobs that they need doing - "worthwhile" or not. They are worthwhile to them - otherwise they wouldn't create them, and that includes the "dross jobs" that need doing whether or not people want to do them. What century this is doesn't change that fact. This is the real world and not science fiction. It's a lovely ideal that says that all jobs should be well paid and engaging, worthwhile, or suitable. It isn't something that is deliverable though, and it has absolutely nothing to do with "society falling from grace". This is a capitalist society, it operates to certain principles and always has. Nothing has changed. Someone has always had to do the "dross jobs". In times of higher employment the fact that those "dross jobs" still needed doing sparked the recruitment of immigrant workers who didn't have the expectations of British workers and were grateful to do the work that we wouldn't. Times have changed, unemployment has changed - nothing else has. There have always been "crappy jobs" and "crappy wages" - that is how profits are generated - and soembody has to do them. Who do you suggest should do them?

strangeotron

SarEl wrote: »

Much as I have some sympathy with your view, what is a "worthwhile job" and who is going to create it?

A wothwhile job is one that contributes to society for the benefit of society, not just so big business can make more profit. These jobs are created as an when, usually by government or whoever administers communities; councils etc.

All the private sector is good for is profiteering. Privatisation has been a complete disaster for this country. It's one thing to start a business running a shop or whatever, it's quite another to take infrastructure and essential services into private ownership just to make money for the sake of making money (usually to sell stocks and shares).

If you want to believe that the current paradigm is the way to go, that's your choice. Nothing will change and the same corporate elites, big business and vested interests will continue to exploit everyone and everything else.

SarEl

strangeotron wrote: »

A wothwhile job is one that contributes to society for the benefit of society, not just so big business can make more profit. These jobs are created as an when, usually by government or whoever administers communities; councils etc.

All the private sector is good for is profiteering. Privatisation has been a complete disaster for this country. It's one thing to start a business running a shop or whatever, it's quite another to take infrastructure and essential services into private ownership just to make money for the sake of making money (usually to sell stocks and shares).

If you want to believe that the current paradigm is the way to go, that's your choice. Nothing will change and the same corporate elites, big business and vested interests will continue to exploit everyone and everything else.

I didn't say that I agree with the current "paradigm", and not did I say that I support it. I asked exactly what you are going to do to create this new reality? Because what you are talking about is the overthrow of capitalism, and I am pretty sure that it won't happen as a result of a couple of posts on an MSE forum.

In order to create these "worthwhile jobs" that you are talking about there must be the money - or whatever you wish to have pass for money if this new world of yours - to do so. Whilst, as many regulat posters here will already know, I am opposed to public sector cuts, I am not follish enough to think that the sector nor any of these other "worthwhile" sectors create sustainable economies on their own. Wealth - in any ecoomic system - is generated by production, not worthwhile causes. So, in some form or another, you will have to take that which is generated by manufacture and apply it to things you consider "worthwhile". I would like to know how you are going about this - other than posting utopian views on MSE.

saintjammyswine

Plus someone has to clean the toilets at the worthwhile stuff emporium.

LadyMissA

strangeotron wrote: »

500 pages?

yeah 500 pages of paperwork and pages to read then questions to answer and tests etc