wht do you think of this

scheming_gypsy

LadyMissA wrote: »

they are not supid they assume what I guess a lot of people do that all people on jsa get rent paid and a million other benefits where they do not. Like free nhs prescriptions are not available on contribution based jsa.

I mean they're stupid for calling you a liar because they're claiming you're doing something you can't do. If you're going to call somebody a liar and accuse them of getting housing benefits, you at least make sure they can get it first.

david1958

claire16c wrote: »

Sounds like maybe you are being told to apply for jobs you are never going to get because you dont have the right experience, and basically wasting your time then? Is your even advisor helping you change your cv and covering letter to every job?

You dont have to put your age on your cv.

yea every job i change covering letter to suite the job,
i dont put my age,but my first job is from 1974 to 1986 on my cv.
so they can tell from that.

scheming_gypsy

Was the job from 1986 straight through to your last one? if not, you can miss the early one off. I'm 36 but my CV only starts from 2000, 8 years and two jobs after I started work.

Caroline_a

david1958 wrote: »

yea every job i change covering letter to suite the job,
i dont put my age,but my first job is from 1974 to 1986 on my cv.
so they can tell from that.

I'm older than you and when I was made redundant last May I applied for about 8 or so jobs when I first found out, (ie that day) and was interviewed for all of them. I got a job before my notice period ran out.

No, I'm no Wonderwoman, but I was real about what I could do and what to expect. I now earn more than I did in my last job!

My CV focuses on my most recent experience with just a one-liner about my experience over 10 years ago, ie who, what, where and when.

imatt

There is plenty of evendence in the US, Canada and Australia (and they have had workfare for many years now) that workfare actually:

A) Reduces jobs

Destroys entry level employment opps

C) Provides nothing in the way of new skills or training

D) Undercuts wages

The below links make sober reading:

http://www.duke.edu/~ldbaker/clippings/ny-workfare.html


http://www.actoronto.org/home.nsf/pages/workfare

http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2011/12/shocker-government-research-concluded.html

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/workfare_myth.htm

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/all-work-and-no-pay/

Anyone who really thinks workfare participants / 'trainees' will not end up supplanting paid workers in at least some areas is living in a fantasy universe!

david1958

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

Was the job from 1986 straight through to your last one? if not, you can miss the early one off. I'm 36 but my CV only starts from 2000, 8 years and two jobs after I started work.

no all my previos jobs only 3 ive been in other 10 years,

Lith

Work for free eh ?


'if your good at something never do it for free'



Would any of the fellow MSE job seekers here do this ? 'WORK FOR FREE'

dandelionclock30

I do voluntary work,its good as Im provided with training and a qualification and bus fares/lunch.I do it to help myself as much as others as I need a good reference to help me get another job.I can choose how much or little I do per week.I do this out of choice not being forced to.
I wouldnt want to do the work programme because its exploitation and people if their working should really be paid, no ifs and buts paid real money full stop.
People are PIG IGNORANT is they think all unemployed people sit around watching Jeremy Kyle all day. This is the propoganda of the Daily Mail, just rubbish. Also there are not enough minmum wage jobs to go round.Its not a case of people not being prepared to do them, there's sod all about.
So before people start shouting their mouth off they should try and get a minimum wage job out of their employment area and see how easy it is.

strangeotron

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Where are you getting your information, where has it said that any company partaking in this scheme are getting free staff??

Your making an assumption.

Are you being serious? Workfare doesn't pay a wage, that's the whole point! It would be illegal for participants to be paid and receive JSA, working and claiming is benefit fraud!

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Again every case is determined on case by case basis, your making an assumption you won't get help, please tell us where your getting [STRIKE]assumptions[/STRIKE] information from??

£35 a week bus fare isn't going to be needed for a lot of people so yet again your being over dramatic. Plus that cost maybe only be for major cities where I live its a third of that price for a weeks pass.

You seem to be suggesting that the scheme is viable and effective because individual circumstances are different. That's no kind of justificiation. You are ignoring the issues: who will pay for childcare for single parents that now have to claim JSA if they face this scheme, which is likley. Who will foot the expenses involved for people such as myself that would have to pay considerable transport costs. Are you expecting the employers to provide meals for free?
And for what? Why does it need 6 months of 30 hours a week to get 'experience'? At what point does this so called work experience stop being such and start being exploitation? If there are jobs tell me why they can't properly pay the people doing them? Perhaps you prefer to subsidise shifty employers through the tax system then.

strangeotron

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Ifs and buts, it could be 1 of several reasons as to why people have been out of work. This sort of scheme though weeds out those that think they can sit on their !!!! all day and not contribute to society whilst others are happy to give something back into the system.

To what end? So you can further exclude people from society? Look how well that works when we have riots.

What do you contribute to society? What do you provide that is what we as a society need? A few quid a week in tax? Big deal, we don't need it. Britain is a very wealthy country.

So why don't you get off your !!!! and do something useful.

And when you've cut people's benefits, what then?

Jobs are thin on the ground I won't disagree with that but there are still plenty of menial jobs being advertised week after week that too many people believe are beneath them so take the easy option.

Please don't insult my intelligence by promoting that tired old argument. You don't seriously believe that all the unemployed are all lazy (unlike all those immigrants of course). Good grief. If you want to wade in tabloid ignorance I shan't waste my time debating with you.

No lecture is needed you big drama queen but some people get stuck in a rut and lose confidence, time rolls on and they lose confidence and motivation. Sometimes just being a given a chance to work again is enough to kick some people into looking for a job, which can only be a positive thing. Maybe on this scheme they'll build more confidence and learn some skills.

All of which can be done in exchange for a wage. Why are you against paying the people on these schemes a wage for their work?

Is your issue with this really the fact that your not working and feel you shouldn't be forced to contribute your time??

I think i've made clear my issues with this scheme. Ad hom attacks aren't any kind of response or argument.

If your not happy about giving up your time then give up some of your salary like the rest of have to.

You resent paying tax? Be sure to let the nation's pensioners know how you feel, i'm sure they'll be glad to hear it.

How do you think you got an education? What about medical treatment, if any? What about the roads you drive on? The parks you visit, etc?

Benefits isn't free money that comes out of thin air its paid for by those that work and other means. Instead of those who want a free ride they should be there for when do need them, the more people that can be helped back to work the better.

I'm well aware of how the benefits system works. More so than you I would imagine, especially as your tired right wing rhetoric is merely divisive. Would you rather people starved in 2012 then? Or do you feel good that you can label people whose lifestyles you don't understand and don't know as scroungers, the better to write them off. Do you think doing so solves anything?

I know from personal experience being on benefits with no prospects can be pretty soul destroying and if I had the opportunity to get out there and maybe try a new job without fear of losing my benefits i'd give it a go. At the very least its something new to add to the CV.
What would happen if the benefits system wasn't there what would these people do then??

Then why don't we see workfare placements in places like the City, or Tory HQ, or the upper echelons of the media? I bet the system would get more support if the range of 'experiences' on offer were mopre than cheap labour for the likes of poundland or tesco, or a few days in Scope shops.