wht do you think of this

strangeotron

pitkin2020 wrote: »

If you are on JSA they WILL help towards costs for interviews and they will help towards paying for workwear that is REQUIRED i.e safety shoes. I am pretty sure they will help the same way towards a scheme they are proposing.

Such funding is at the discretion of an adviser. You are not starting a job, these schemes are not considered jobs because that's how they get around minimum wage legislation. And they most certainly are not going to fund £35 a week bus fare.

strangeotron

pitkin2020 wrote: »

So your suggestion is not to motivate people?? After 3 years without finding a job those that are serious about wanting to work will be glad for a chance and something to focus on. Those that don't want to work will hate it.

Some will decide they don't want to work in a crappy job for JSA so will actively seek better work whilst the others will do the bare minimum they have to.

They still help with cost to interviews if its NEEDED. They won't pay a taxi fare obviously. As for 6 months of travel I suspect the company would either contribute towards that or the government would IF it was required. Not everyone lives 100 miles from a town so not everyone is going to require help with travel costs.

Please don't put words into my mouth. If someone has been out of work for 3 years perhaps it's because there aren't enough jobs to go around. Or are you one of these that denies the evidence of mathematics: there are more people looking than there are jobs. How does motivation solve that problem? Do you think people so stupid that all that's needed is a good talking to? Perhaps a lecture about the 'good old days'? They weren't so great, and we're destined to go back to them the way this lunatic coalition is behaving. My figure of £35 wasn't taxi fares. It was bus fares. Nor is it a journey of 100 miles. Of course not everyone is going to require helop with travel costs, that isn't really the point is it?

LadyMissA

pitkin2020 wrote: »

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Obviously your parents may also be teaching you a good life lesson, by charging you rent to push to get into work, who knows.

yeah teaching me not to get made redundant afer working for so many years and also being a tax payer since 1986

pitkin2020

strangeotron wrote: »

1. quite simply that's not going to happen. There aren't enouigh jobs anyway, this idea that an employer is going to hire someone they don't need to and pay them a wage when they are quite happy to have them work for free is just fantasy. You mean to tell me that every unemployed person is going to be taken on full time the minute they start on their workfare programme?

Where are you getting your information, where has it said that any company partaking in this scheme are getting free staff??

Your making an assumption.

pitkin2020

strangeotron wrote: »

Such funding is at the discretion of an adviser. You are not starting a job, these schemes are not considered jobs because that's how they get around minimum wage legislation. And they most certainly are not going to fund £35 a week bus fare.

Again every case is determined on case by case basis, your making an assumption you won't get help, please tell us where your getting [STRIKE]assumptions[/STRIKE] information from??

£35 a week bus fare isn't going to be needed for a lot of people so yet again your being over dramatic. Plus that cost maybe only be for major cities where I live its a third of that price for a weeks pass.

pitkin2020

strangeotron wrote: »

Please don't put words into my mouth. If someone has been out of work for 3 years perhaps it's because there aren't enough jobs to go around. Or are you one of these that denies the evidence of mathematics: there are more people looking than there are jobs. How does motivation solve that problem? Do you think people so stupid that all that's needed is a good talking to? Perhaps a lecture about the 'good old days'? They weren't so great, and we're destined to go back to them the way this lunatic coalition is behaving. My figure of £35 wasn't taxi fares. It was bus fares. Nor is it a journey of 100 miles. Of course not everyone is going to require helop with travel costs, that isn't really the point is it?

Ifs and buts, it could be 1 of several reasons as to why people have been out of work. This sort of scheme though weeds out those that think they can sit on their !!!! all day and not contribute to society whilst others are happy to give something back into the system.

Jobs are thin on the ground I won't disagree with that but there are still plenty of menial jobs being advertised week after week that too many people believe are beneath them so take the easy option.

No lecture is needed you big drama queen but some people get stuck in a rut and lose confidence, time rolls on and they lose confidence and motivation. Sometimes just being a given a chance to work again is enough to kick some people into looking for a job, which can only be a positive thing. Maybe on this scheme they'll build more confidence and learn some skills.

Is your issue with this really the fact that your not working and feel you shouldn't be forced to contribute your time?? If your not happy about giving up your time then give up some of your salary like the rest of have to. Benefits isn't free money that comes out of thin air its paid for by those that work and other means. Instead of those who want a free ride they should be there for when do need them, the more people that can be helped back to work the better.

I know from personal experience being on benefits with no prospects can be pretty soul destroying and if I had the opportunity to get out there and maybe try a new job without fear of losing my benefits i'd give it a go. At the very least its something new to add to the CV.

What would happen if the benefits system wasn't there what would these people do then??

Mark_h_4

pitkin2020 wrote: »

Ifs and buts, it could be 1 of several reasons as to why people have been out of work. This sort of scheme though weeds out those that think they can sit on their !!!! all day and not contribute to society whilst others are happy to give something back into the system.

Jobs are thin on the ground I won't disagree with that but there are still plenty of menial jobs being advertised week after week that too many people believe are beneath them so take the easy option.

No lecture is needed you big drama queen but some people get stuck in a rut and lose confidence, time rolls on and they lose confidence and motivation. Sometimes just being a given a chance to work again is enough to kick some people into looking for a job, which can only be a positive thing. Maybe on this scheme they'll build more confidence and learn some skills.

Is your issue with this really the fact that your not working and feel you shouldn't be forced to contribute your time?? If your not happy about giving up your time then give up some of your salary like the rest of have to. Benefits isn't free money that comes out of thin air its paid for by those that work and other means. Instead of those who want a free ride they should be there for when do need them, the more people that can be helped back to work the better.

I know from personal experience being on benefits with no prospects can be pretty soul destroying and if I had the opportunity to get out there and maybe try a new job without fear of losing my benefits i'd give it a go. At the very least its something new to add to the CV.

What would happen if the benefits system wasn't there what would these people do then??

If there was no benefits system then there would be no jeremy kyle on TV... and I would feel no rage at the people on it... problem solved IMO

Caroline_a

One of the reasons that we have a large unemployment issue is not purely that there aren't the jobs out there... it's that there aren't the jobs that they want. By this, I mean that quite a few people are going for unrealistic jobs, moaning that they don't get them, and nobody is addressing the issue.

So for example, someone who thinks that because they have an NVQ in Business Admin, they then have a right to get an office job. Unfortunately it isn't that simple. If you can't put an application letter together that is tailored for the job, if you are poor at interviews, if you have a personal hygiene problem, (you'd be surprised at how many of those I have come across!), if you dress inappropriately, if you're late for interview, have a poor telephone manner (often clocked if you get a call to say come to interview)... all these could and can be barriers to employment.

Many people find it difficult when faced with personal reasons why they aren't getting jobs and take offence. Many advisers struggle with telling them.

Realistically, if you've been out of work for a while and genuinely want a job then perhaps you need to look at a slightly different focus. Don't expect the same type of job as your last one - if you can't get office work, what's wrong with trying a shop job for a while? If you can't get a job working with children, try some bar work. No, it isn't what you wanted to do, but it's a JOB. And as we all know it's a lot easier to get a job from a job. It will tell any prospective employers that, rather than sit at home all day you were proactive and did something. And you never know, you might like it!

david1958

ive been out of work a few years,ive applied for every job going,jobs ive never done that my adviser as told me to apply for,
i have,still no job.and never get any replys back from applications or cvs i send,
is it my age im 54.but ive worked all my live untill i got laid off at 50.

claire16c

david1958 wrote: »

ive been out of work a few years,ive applied for every job going,jobs ive never done that my adviser as told me to apply for,
i have,still no job.and never get any replys back from applications or cvs i send,
is it my age im 54.but ive worked all my live untill i got laid off at 50.

Sounds like maybe you are being told to apply for jobs you are never going to get because you dont have the right experience, and basically wasting your time then? Is your even advisor helping you change your cv and covering letter to every job?

You dont have to put your age on your cv.