When does extended breastfeeding become weird....

HariboJunkie

lostinrates wrote: »

I don't see nudity, one of the examples, as sexual at all. We often choose to be naked at home, and in a small extended social situation but not sexually. E.g. Nudist beaches/swimming. Just because we prefer to be naked I also recognise that there are places it is acceptable to be naked, e.g. Nudist beach, and others where it is not, e.g. Oxford street. Similarly, how we behave might be different with clothes on. I don't personally equate breast feeding the same as either, but on a scale, closer to nudism than public sex! Similarly, going to the loo is natural, but it would seem odder to me to see people forced to feed in loos than in the seated area of a cafe/ restaurant themselves having a drink or chat.

It's interesting, because it shows how we feel differently, I do not see adult nudity as sexual or necessarily inappropriate in certain places, but accept in some situations while natural and no. Sexual it is also inappropriate.

Two of the examples quoted which I was referring to, were nudity in public AND sex in public. Also, like it or not, there will be people who will look at a naked person in a sexual way if they choose to do it in public in a place where it is not expected. I don't think the poster was using the example of nudity at home or on a nudist beach with like minded people.

I agree that the debate has been very interesting but I'm with Gingham R on this one and can see when there is no point in me contributing further.

thatgirlsam

kathleenryd wrote: »

I bfed each of my 4 children till they weaned themselves - from 20 months to 2 years -ish. Depends on what you call 'breast feeding' - the breast can go on providing a 'comfort' , a snack, or whatever as long as mother and child are healthy and happy. It definitely helps get your figure back - why would you not do it? Best for you and baby.

Seriously?

Have you read this thread? Lady Tara's post may explain just one reason among thousands why

Lotus-eater

bylromarha wrote: »

I remember here on MSE years ago a parent asked me, in my capacity as a reception teacher, if I could tell whether a child had been breastfed or not due to their ability on entering school. Was shocked I was even asked!

Actually I think that is a legitimate question. If you don't know, then there aren't any stupid questions.
Lets not make people afraid to ask.

lostinrates

HariboJunkie wrote: »

Two of the examples quoted which I was referring to, were nudity in public AND sex in public. Also, like it or not, there will be people who will look at a naked person in a sexual way if they choose to do it in public in a place where it is not expected. I don't think the poster was using the example of nudity at home or on a nudist beach with like minded people.

I agree that the debate has been very interesting but I'm with Gingham R on this one and can see when there is no point in me contributing further.

I absolutely accept some will view public nudity as sexual, but that's the point rather, our personal norms might be broader or narrower than the social norms.


It occurred to me as I posted that I also think its inappropriate to see children given unpaid for food off the shelf in a supermarket trolley, children of the extended age here. I think , and I am not a mum so happy to accept this could be baloney, that part of that time between babyhood and adult hood is learning what Is natural and good and fine is also not always fine....e.g. Learning to control bladder, to eat at a table after washing hands, and not eat in someplaces...so I wonder if that contributes to why I would find the public breast feeding of older children something not for me

Lotus-eater

lostinrates wrote: »

It occurred to me as I posted that I also think its inappropriate to see children given unpaid for food off the shelf in a supermarket trolley, children of the extended age here.

What even if it's paid for when you get to the checkout?

I realise this is taking it totally OT, but I can't see it doing any harm, as it's probably going to get deleted anyway soon.

lostinrates

Lotus-eater wrote: »

What even if it's paid for when you get to the checkout?

I realise this is taking it totally OT, but I can't see it doing any harm, as it's probably going to get deleted anyway soon.

Yes, even when paid for at the check out.....it's not yours until then and IMO, supermarkets aisles are inappropriate places to eat, (or have sex or be naked, unless nudist supermarkets). I guess if you are old enough to eat crisps, you are old enough to wait fifteen mins to eat crisps. I do remember how ghastly it was being hungry when little thou, one thought that one's tummy would fall in onitself. It never did though. I have no major feeling on the ph in supermarket issue. Probably wouldn't do it myself, though have Ben to the cinema in pjs as a student.

poet123

shirlgirl2004 wrote: »

The WHO compiled a report which looked at a number of studies and concluded that there are long term benefits.


"Reviewers’ conclusions: The available evidence suggests that breastfeeding may have long-term

benefits. Subjects who were breastfed experienced lower mean blood pressure and total cholesterol,
as well as higher performance in intelligence tests. Furthermore, the prevalence of overweight/obesity
and type-2 diabetes was lower among breastfed subjects. All effects were statistically significant, but

for some outcomes their magnitude was relatively modest."

That conclusion says "may" the following is taken from a WHO report too;(My emphasis)

3. Does breastfeeding reduce the risk of overweight and obesity?

The evidence suggests that breastfeeding may have a small protective effect on the prevalence of obesity. In spite of the evidence of publication bias, a protective effect of breastfeeding was still observed among the larger studies (>1500 participants),.. This effect seems to be more important against obesity than against overweight.
Because the great majority of the published studies were conducted in Western Europe and North America, we are not able to assess whether this association is present in low and middle-income settings.

4. Does breastfeeding lower the risk of type 2 diabetes?

Evidence on a possible programming effect of breastfeeding on glucose metabolism is sparse. Studies assessing the risk of type-2 diabetes reported a protective effect of breastfeeding, with a pooled odds ratio of 0.63 (95% CI: 0.45–0.89) in breastfed compared to non-breastfed subjects. On the other hand, two other studies failed to report an association between HOMA index, a measure of insulin resistance, and breastfeeding duration, and a study on fasting blood glucose levels was also negative. At this stage, it is not possible to draw firm conclusions about the longterm effect of breastfeeding on the risk of type-2 diabetes and related outcomes…

5. Does breastfeeding raise the level of school achievement or intelligence?

This meta-analysis suggests that breastfeeding is associated with increased cognitive development in childhood, in studies that controlled for confounding by socioeconomic status and stimulation at home. The practical implications of a relatively small increase in the performance in developmental tests in childhood may be open to debate. However, evidence from the only three studies on school performance in late adolescence or young adulthood suggests that breastfeeding is also positively associated with educational attainment.
The issue remains of whether the association is related to the properties of breastmilk itself, or whether breastfeeding enhances the bonding between mother and child, and thus contributes to intellectual development. Although in observational studies it is not possible to disentangle these two effects, the positive results from the randomized trial carried out by Lucas et al suggest that the nutritional properties of breastmilk alone seem to have an effect.

In the case of these five longterm outcomes, the existing scientific evidence shows that breastfeeding has either no benefit or a small benefit.

Lotus-eater

lostinrates wrote: »

Yes, even when paid for at the check out.....it's not yours until then and IMO, supermarkets aisles are inappropriate places to eat, (or have sex or be naked, unless nudist supermarkets). I guess if you are old enough to eat crisps, you are old enough to wait fifteen mins to eat crisps. I do remember how ghastly it was being hungry when little thou, one thought that one's tummy would fall in onitself. It never did though. I have no major feeling on the ph in supermarket issue. Probably wouldn't do it myself, though have Ben to the cinema in pjs as a student.

Well if you've had a screaming toddler, or a whining older one, who is very hungry or thirsty, you may change your mind.
Godsends, are things you sometimes have to use before you've paid for them.

lostinrates

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Well if you've had a screaming toddler, or a whining older one, who is very hungry or thirsty, you may change your mind.
Godsends, are things you sometimes have to use before you've paid for them.

That's probably how the mums who choose to breast feed older children feel too.

We all have different peramtrs, and I think it's ok to maintain them yourself while being tolerant of others differences. Feiw, I used to take care of kids a lot , and my nieces lived with me when toddlers and there mum was I'll, so I have had toddlers feeling tired and grumpy, even if not a mum...and it was really hard balancing it while a student, working and not being the person whose decisions things ultimately were about that sort of thing....

mildred1978

blabberwort wrote: »

I appreciate that not all women show their breasts while bf , I think I mentioned this fact in a previous post.

I met someone yesterday at a class with our toddlers (hers 14 months, mine 18 months). We were having a cuppa afterwards and she literally just got her whole boob out of her top, squeezed it, examined her nipple and then pushed it towards her happily playing daughter. This was in a hotel lounge and some men were having a business meeting on the table next to us. Other mums are still nursing their toddlers, which I have no issue with, and you would be hard pushed to tell they are so discreet. The other mother appeared to be making a (not very useful) point.