When does extended breastfeeding become weird....

thatgirlsam

Nicki wrote: »

Not that I agree it's a good idea, but I got formula on prescription for my baby as he was lactose intolerant (to breast and regular formula) and I didn't need to see GP for repeats ever, or to pay a prescription charge. He got approx 2 months worth on one script and I just asked for a repeat when he was down to last tin, collected it in normal way and took it to chemist who handed over the milk. If I'd used the pharmacy prescription collection service, it would have been easier still. Would just have popped out to pharmacy like any other mum and been given my tins free of charge. DS was on it for around 9 months.

Thanks, I didn't realise it was that easy, I was envisioning women having to go to the GP every couple of months to 'ask' to formula

Still, its not a good idea, I would hate for women to have to justify their choice in feeding their baby, it would all get very complicated if the choice was taken away and then they had to justify to the GP the reasons for needing formula

Lots more PND I reckon!

poet123

Gingham_R wrote: »

Actually, there is mounting evidence thus, although the demographics of the studies can sway the figures in my opinion.

Really? Which studies? The ones I have been looking at seem to agree with you that as other factors (from birth to adulthood) cannot be isolated any perceived benefit cannot be directly attributed.

Those studies actually caution against overstating the long term benefits to new mums.

HariboJunkie

poet123 wrote: »

She is clearly not alone judging from the thanks that post attracted. However, I wonder how that squares with being a feminist and believing that woman should have autonomy over their own bodies?

Abortion, Rape etc, etc, if you force a woman to breastfeed you are tacitly condoning other "assaults" on her body. Anything which is done to or expected of a woman's body against her will is wrong, end of. You cannot condone one and be against another.

I don't think anyone has suggested "forced" breastfeeding. Do you honestly believe that people who believe "in an ideal world" that mother's should try and give breastfeeding a shot would automatically condone rape?

thatgirlsam

HariboJunkie wrote: »

I don't think anyone has suggested "forced" breastfeeding. Do you honestly believe that people who believe "in an ideal world" that mother's should try and give breastfeeding a shot would automatically condone rape?

Saying that formula should only be available on prescription, and only for a medical reason, equates to the same thing

poet123

HariboJunkie wrote: »

I don't think anyone has suggested "forced" breastfeeding. Do you honestly believe that people who believe "in an ideal world" that mother's should try and give breastfeeding a shot would automatically condone rape?

I beg to differ one person has stated that she believes mothers should breastfeed and that it should not be a choice. Another word for that is force, although she has shied away from saying that outright.

If she truly does believe that, then it is exactly the same as rape; an assault against your will, so no, I don't believe that those who say all mothers should try it would condone rape (although I dislike intensely the word "should") and would argue it is no one else s business how you feed your child.

I do believe that removing the choice and so forcing (however it is dressed up) someone to use their body in a way they do not want to is condoning an assault of a similar nature to rape, violation of your person.

I don't believe the poster concerned will accept this but it is true.

HariboJunkie

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Saying that formula should only be available on prescription, and only for a medical reason, equates to the same thing

I think she explained that she meant that could be the case in an ideal world where formula use hadn't been encouraged as being the better option. If that had not been the case women would have continued to learn bf as the norm and receieved help from sisters and mums who had bf before them as was the case pre formula. I wonder how many women in the first world war didn't fancy breastfeeding or felt it didn't fit in with their lifestyle.

For the record, I don't agree that formual should be prescription only.

thatgirlsam

HariboJunkie wrote: »

I think she explained that she meant that could be the case in an ideal world where formula use hadn't been encouraged as being the better option. If that had not been the case women would have continued to learn bf as the norm and receieved help from sisters and mums who had bf before them as was the case pre formula. I wonder how many women in the first world war didn't fancy breastfeeding or felt it didn't fit in with their lifestyle.

For the record, I don't agree that formual should be prescription only.

Do you really think that in the 'good old days' women breastfed quite happily without a hitch?

In the 'good old days' babies were fed water, condensed milk, evaporated milk, cows milk etc if the woman couldn't breastfeed

You should take off your rose tinted glasses!

My grandmother fed my father all of these things, and breastmilk too

And all this 'ideal world' stuff is just silly, we don't live in an ideal world

blabberwort

FatVonD wrote: »

I promise I'm not trying to put words into your mouth, I'm far too busy being flabbergasted that anyone would expect a BF mother to go to those lengths to neatly sanitise something that's perfectly natural because someone else has a hang up about it!

So because something is perfectly natural it's okay for all and sundry to see? The human body itself is natural doesnt mean we all want to see naked bodies walking down the street in the summer though does it?
Sex is perfectly natural, again... doesnt mean we all want a public display of it does it?

On a natural point to get back to children... it is natural for a baby to make use of it's nappy (putting it politely lol) but that doesnt make it acceptable to change a baby on a table in a cafe does it? So you tell me where people are supposed to draw the line with this whole "natural" argument. It's a cop out answer in my opinion.



I will also point out again that "supposedly" the whole thing about bf is for the childs benefit, inconvenience shouldnt come into it.

blabberwort

Nicki wrote: »

Crikey! I didn't do extended breastfeeding, but I did breastfeed (and so have expressed milk) and I currently have a child of the age being dicussed.

I can categorically say that there is no way I would be able to keep him calm and occupied for 20 to 30 minutes in a small mother and baby room, while I expressed milk with a pump, and the stress involved in trying to do so would ensure that no milk would be produced anyway!

So back in the real world, how should mothers manage the situation then?

my apologies, I thought my post was self explanatory but I obviously didnt type it correctly. I meant that on a day trip for example you could make use of a mother and baby room to express milk in advance for the child if you knew that there would be nowhere suitable before the next feed was due. I didnt mean express milk at the time of the child wanting a feed.

HariboJunkie

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Do you really think that in the 'good old days' women breastfed quite happily without a hitch?

In the 'good old days' babies were fed water, condensed milk, evaporated milk, cows milk etc if the woman couldn't breastfeed

You should take off your rose tinted glasses!

My grandmother fed my father all of these things, and breastmilk too

And all this 'ideal world' stuff is just silly, we don't live in an ideal world

I'm not saying we do live in an ideal world. I was responding to the post where it was said that Person-One thought formula should be prescription only.

I have said that I don't agree with that view but neither do I think that she is suggesting anyone force a woman to breastfeed nor is she by implication condoning rape.

I'll leave it for her to post in response though. I should know better by now than to get involved on a breastfeeding thread.