Severn Trent water and court

samsmoot

Gothicfairy wrote: »

RV bills are the same as council tax and always have been.

You mean Rateable Value? When the above Act was introduced water companies were specifically barred from using the RV as a basis for their charges, so your point doesn't stand up.

Gothicfairy

RV has been a legal rate of charge since water companies took over from the government and RV rates still stand as a legal form of charge.

It is clear that you don't want to pay your bill so don't.. Just don't be to shocked to get a CCJ for the yearly bill.

Cardew

samsmoot wrote: »

You mean Rateable Value? When the above Act was introduced water companies were specifically barred from using the RV as a basis for their charges, so your point doesn't stand up.

When the Water Privatisation act was introduced, it made meters mandatory for properties build after April 1990.

They couldn't use RV because it didn't exist for new properties as the Poll Tax took over from RV as the form of 'local taxation' and that eventually became the Council Tax.

However because some occupants would have faced huge rises in water charges i.e. those with low RV and many occupants, meters were not made mandatory and water companies had to carry on charging using their RV.

samsmoot

Gothicfairy wrote: »

RV has been a legal rate of charge since water companies took over from the government

No, you are wrong:

'8 Charging by reference to rateable value.


Section 145 of the Water Industry Act 1991 (which prevents charging by reference to rateable value in respect of services provided after 31st March 2000) shall cease to have effect.'

samsmoot

Gothicfairy wrote: »

It is clear that you don't want to pay your bill so don't.. Just don't be to shocked to get a CCJ for the yearly bill.

Can't happen - there would need to be a claim first, and they ain't doing it.

samsmoot

Any progress on disproving my position?

samsmoot

Gothicfairy wrote: »

and where does it say they are not ? RV bills are the same as council tax and always have been.

Payment plans are allowed but the debt becomes due the 1st April no matter what.

Mmm...this is an answer to a post that is no longer there - it was part of the Water Act 1991 which I put up, but now it's gone!

Anyone got any idea what happened here? I didn't delete it, as far as I can remember.

samsmoot

Anyway, here's a link to the Water Industry Act 1991:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/56/part/V

The reply by GF in post 50 is a response to my asking where in the Act it says you have to pay advance charges.

Cardew

samsmoot wrote: »

No, you are wrong:

'8 Charging by reference to rateable value.


Section 145 of the Water Industry Act 1991 (which prevents charging by reference to rateable value in respect of services provided after 31st March 2000) shall cease to have effect.'

I suggest you read that carefully, and understand what is written!

The 1991 Water Industry Act did indeed forbid charging by RV after 31/03/2000. i.e. Initially water companies were given 10 years(from 31/03/1990) to find a different way of charging for unmetered properties.

However that quote of yours is from the 1999 Water industry Act http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20081105165858/opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1999/ukpga_19990009_en_1

See para 8.

That 1999 Act rescinds the provision in the 1991 Act that RV charging must stop after 31/03/2000. i.e. it allows them to continue using RV based charges.

samsmoot

OK - had a careful read - are you saying that water companies have never been barred from charging by reference to RV?

If so, my apologies for getting it wrong (on this score).