People not knowing how to use motorways properly.

blackfive

OneYorkshireLass wrote: »

Why is it that middle lane hoggers are usually either of the following: women who are sat so far forward in their seat that their head is practically touching the steering wheel, or men with their right elbows resting on the window sill?

You forgot about the man in hat!

blackfive

stephen77 wrote: »

Its not dangerous at all. The middle lane hogger is just going to sit in the middle lane until A) their junction is next they get flashed .

In my opinion the law needs changing to make it an offence, with a fine and points on the licence, to block a lane of a motorway if a lane to the left is free and has an adequate gap or causing other vehicles to undertake. Have the same stipulation as for overtaking on the left that if congested then you may move slower. This will then legalise the Rule 264 of the Highway Code on Lane Discipline. All those not complying with this rule are not only incourtious to other road users but very poor unsafe drivers as the Highway Code is produced to make driving safe for ALL road users. Lane sitters cause congestion without any doubt.

If the left hand lane is free and has an adequate gap then this should be used regardless of what speed you're travelling. Remember that 70mph is the maximum speed but that speedometers are slightly different between cars and generally give a high reading. See the speed matched by a satnav and you'll see this as mine reads around 76-77mph when doing an actual 70mph.

Azari

blackfive wrote: »

In my opinion the law needs changing to make it an offence, with a fine and points on the licence, to block a lane of a motorway if a lane to the left is free and has an adequate gap or causing other vehicles to undertake.

The problem with that is determining what constitutes an 'adequate gap'.

To enforce the rule would either require extraordinarily complex surveillance equipment or some very subjective judgements on the part of the prosecuting officers.

stephen77

Azari wrote: »

The problem with that is determining what constitutes an 'adequate gap'.

To enforce the rule would either require extraordinarily complex surveillance equipment or some very subjective judgements on the part of the prosecuting officers.

I say 300 metres. This is not right or wrong. But we have to start some where.

Azari

stephen77 wrote: »

I say 300 metres. This is not right or wrong. But we have to start some where.

Erm, you do realise that the distance will (or, at least, should) change depending upon speed?

Dave_C_2

blackfive wrote: »

In my opinion the law needs changing to make it an offence, with a fine and points on the licence, to block a lane of a motorway if a lane to the left is free and has an adequate gap or causing other vehicles to undertake.

Undertaking is already illegal and you can't make it an offence to "cause" other drivers to undertake. Driving in the middle lane may be annoying but it is not forcing other drivers to undertake.

Have the same stipulation as for overtaking on the left that if congested then you may move slower. This will then legalise the Rule 264 of the Highway Code on Lane Discipline.

You mean as written in the highway code rule 264
[Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9 & 16(1)(a), MT(S)R regs 4, 8 & 14(1)(a), and RTA 1988, sects 35 & 186, as amended by TMA 2004 sect 6]

And finally where are all these mythical motorways that are devoid of traffic except for somebody driving in lane 2 and the "I want to get past and can't be bothered to use lane 3" brigade? The motorways that I use are usually quite full and lane hogging very rare.

Dave

stephen77

Azari wrote: »

Erm, you do realise that the distance will (or, at least, should) change depending upon speed?

Can do. That was 1st draft before consulation.

Can you add your proposed other speeds and distance for second draft.

adouglasmhor

300 metres is more than long enough to cover stopping distances at most speeds in normal conditions

triticale

Dave_C wrote: »

Undertaking is already illegal

No its not.

Dave_C wrote: »

And finally where are all these mythical motorways that are devoid of traffic except for somebody driving in lane 2 and the "I want to get past and can't be bothered to use lane 3" brigade?

I'm in the 'I'm keeping left as per the HC and don't want to have to cross 2 lanes and back again to enter lane 3 in order to get round the lane 2 hogger, and risk causing much faster traffic to have to slow, when lane 1 is empty for as far as can be seen ahead' brigade.

Tigger123

Okay, here is what you do. You overtake them and pull back into lane 1. Slow down and allow them to overtake you. You then speed up and over take them again and return to lane 1. Repeat this process until either they pull in or you get bored. Simples.