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Jerry_Mander

ray1971 wrote: »

but they can mandate u to register and create an account on universal jobmatch

Again wrong ray. There are several reasons why they cannot mandate you. They've tried to get me to register but I'm still not registered, and won't be any time soon.

ray1971

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

Very much the case in reality ray1971. Please read the FOI in full, then you can talk from an informed position.

Unfortunately the FOI report is not considered nor mentioned in the DWP JC guidance at the moment and probably never will be due to the reasons I mentioned before.JC staff nationally ARE referring WP completers to MWA.

ray1971

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

Again wrong ray. There are several reasons why they cannot mandate you. They've tried to get me to register but I'm still not registered, and won't be any time soon.

JC staff can, and do regularly mandate claimants under a job seekers direction to create a UJ account.Failure to do so MAY result in a sanction.Mandation instructions were given to all JC staff March 2013.

Jerry_Mander

ray1971 wrote: »

Unfortunately the FOI report is not considered nor mentioned in the DWP JC guidance at the moment and probably never will be due to the reasons I mentioned before.JC staff nationally ARE referring WP completers to MWA.

ray you're either being deliberately obtuse or you're a Jobcentre mole. The FOI response is the Official line directly from the DWP, backed up by referenced DWP regulations. I can't make it any clearer.

I accept your point that the Jobcentres are mandating people to MWA but that doesn't make them right! The onus (as ever) is on the individual to fight their own corner.

donnajunkie

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

Again wrong ray. There are several reasons why they cannot mandate you. They've tried to get me to register but I'm still not registered, and won't be any time soon.

here the wp providers give a session for leavers telling them what to expect and one of the things they say is you must sign up to ujm. they also say you must be contactable via a phone number.

john539

ray1971 wrote: »

Not the case in reality Im afraid.WP completers are being referred to MWA in their droves, so much so that the govt has pumped hundreds of thousands of pounds into getting new employers sign up.A spell on WP is not an exclusion reason for not being referred to MWA.JC advisers are now stockpiling their MWA referrals as demand far outweighs supply at the moment.

Lovely steady supply of free slave labour, until it blows up in the companies & government's face, just like with Tescos & Poundland.

loony2012

ray1971 wrote: »

JC staff can, and do regularly mandate claimants under a job seekers direction to create a UJ account.Failure to do so MAY result in a sanction.Mandation instructions were given to all JC staff March 2013.

Go to sleep ray your job at JCP office is due soon you need a rest to spout cow pat to claimants. clearly JCP hasn't a leg to stand on..

Their first to point out rule breaks so it's about time they followed their own rules.. When i sign on Friday ( With your colleagues ) i will give them the PDF and freedom of information info they gave

Have a nice day

ray1971

loony2012 wrote: »

Go to sleep ray your job at JCP office is due soon you need a rest to spout cow pat to claimants. clearly JCP hasn't a leg to stand on..

Their first to point out rule breaks so it's about time they followed their own rules.. When i sign on Friday ( With your colleagues ) i will give them the PDF and freedom of information info they gave

Have a nice day

Haha, I dont work in a JC - if u check my previous posts u will see where I get my knowledge from tho!!
Let us know what response u get when u show them the FOI info on Friday; cant imagine what their response will be tho ;-)

leroy28

well youll never guess the cheek of her today, i had an appointment at 9.20am my bus was late, they know i rely on buses, i was 4 minutes late got in and said said she wrote me down for failure to attend, the day before she kept me waiting 16 minutes. couldnt belive it, she still seen me but i really wanted to say something but didnt.

ive also noticed something else, when i go in and let the person at the front know im here, they like to keep me waiting but if i just go in dont let them check my name of, in other words just turn up and look at the jobpoints, they are usualy on time, they come up instantly to check with the front person to see if i sihgned in like they are desperate to put me down for failure to attend. im gonna test this out and not let them know im there at the front, because they have to come and check, then you go over and say yep im here now you have to see me now. ive got em a few times doing that. i never get there early as they allways keep me waiting and it !!!!es me of

donnajunkie

leroy28 wrote: »

well youll never guess the cheek of her today, i had an appointment at 9.20am my bus was late, they know i rely on buses, i was 4 minutes late got in and said said she wrote me down for failure to attend, the day before she kept me waiting 16 minutes. couldnt belive it, she still seen me but i really wanted to say something but didnt.

ive also noticed something else, when i go in and let the person at the front know im here, they like to keep me waiting but if i just go in dont let them check my name of, in other words just turn up and look at the jobpoints, they are usualy on time, they come up instantly to check with the front person to see if i sihgned in like they are desperate to put me down for failure to attend. im gonna test this out and not let them know im there at the front, because they have to come and check, then you go over and say yep im here now you have to see me now. ive got em a few times doing that. i never get there early as they allways keep me waiting and it !!!!es me of

never be late you're playing into their hands if you are late. it may not work for you but one thing i have done in the past at places where i sign in is to always put that i was on time even if i was a bit late. for example start at 9am arrive at 9.04am but i would still write 9am. i often see people look at the clock when they sign in to put the exact right time. i think why bother. so long as you are signed in and the time you put doesnt get you into trouble then it doesnt matter if its exactly correct.