The Work Programme New Thread

donnajunkie

Gaz1971 wrote: »

Well yes, the whole thing is a farce. When will the realise that you cant get people back to work without jobs and a they are doing is wasting money on courses.

its not just about job availability. its also a matter of persuading employers to give these people a chance who have been out of work a long time.

Gaz1971

donnajunkie wrote: »

its not just about job availability. its also a matter of persuading employers to give these people a chance who have been out of work a long time.

Thats a good point, the minute you say in an interview you are unemployed you see their faces change as if to say 'no thanks mate'. Its all down to the idiot chancellor who is constantly bad mouthing the unemployed, employers think we are all lazy and useless.

donnajunkie

Gaz1971 wrote: »

Thats a good point, the minute you say in an interview you are unemployed you see their faces change as if to say 'no thanks mate'. Its all down to the idiot chancellor who is constantly bad mouthing the unemployed, employers think we are all lazy and useless.

to be fair i think they come to that conclusion themselves without any help from politicians. many years ago i went for a job interview and one question asked was why have you been out of work so long. i had been out of work 3 months.

AP007

Just got off the phone with the manager at my WP office and he was telling me the other office they have in the 'area' is a THIRD of the size as the one I go to and I know they can only deal with approx. 25 people at a time as these are the only pc's they have to going back to where you could end up in the WP for 30 hour a week will not happen.

I did ask him what is going to happen to people hitting the 2 years and he said they have tried to find out now for 4 months but until the DWP notify us or them we still have to attend but we can ask when we sign on nearer the time

There will probably be an exit interview and advise for the DWP/JC for the people returning but he has no idea what will happen - if people may remain on the WP of just go back to the JC and lost in the system again. He said the DWP never thought about what would happen to people when the 2 years was up - what joy.

donnajunkie

AP007 wrote: »

Just got off the phone with the manager at my WP office and he was telling me the other office they have in the 'area' is a THIRD of the size as the one I go to and I know they can only deal with approx. 25 people at a time as these are the only pc's they have to going back to where you could end up in the WP for 30 hour a week will not happen.

I did ask him what is going to happen to people hitting the 2 years and he said they have tried to find out now for 4 months but until the DWP notify us or them we still have to attend but we can ask when we sign on nearer the time

There will probably be an exit interview and advise for the DWP/JC for the people returning but he has no idea what will happen - if people may remain on the WP of just go back to the JC and lost in the system again. He said the DWP never thought about what would happen to people when the 2 years was up - what joy.

well wp started 2 years ago this month. so people are starting to leave now. it is odd that yours claims they dont know what is happening next. the link i saw last week was from a government website and it stated what is happening next which is what i have talked about alot already.

donnajunkie

well i was supposed to be phoned today by adviser but still no call recieved yet. they have phoned me as late as 6pm before so theres still a chance but they promised before 5pm.

AP007

donnajunkie wrote: »

well wp started 2 years ago this month. so people are starting to leave now. it is odd that yours claims they dont know what is happening next. the link i saw last week was from a government website and it stated what is happening next which is what i have talked about alot already.

They don't know their !!!! from their elbow so its not hard to believe.

I said don't the first lot go back at the end of the month and he said yes but they are waiting to hear if there will be exit interviews or not.

He did say (and this will make you laugh) that he has 7 weeks to change my mind about the WP when I said it was totally pointless and I replied get my a job interview by Friday then to which he was just silent to then a nervous laugh!

donnajunkie

the fun continues. i phoned them up today to ask why i wasnt called yesterday to discover i now have a new adviser. no apology or excuse for why i wasnt called. i was simply told i would get a new appointment through the post.
how these people have jobs i dont know. surely it is obvious that if you are changing the adviser of a section of people and cancelling the appointments with that adviser that someone should inform those people out of common courtesy. i didnt actually get to speak to an adviser when i phoned but i bet i would have if i had been phoning to say i had got a job.

Morlock

"The latest edition of Private Eye has shown once again the unhealthy relationship between A4e (and the other Work Programme primes) and the government. They have documents released under FoI relating to a meeting which Chris grayling had last July with A4e directors. At that point it was already clear, or should have been, that the WP was failing, and the publicity around A4e had been terrible. But Grayling tells them, "In six months it will be all forgotten," and that he's grateful for what they're doing.

Grayling was replaced by Mark Hoban, who was similarly congratulatory at a meeting with Maximus in September. The article continues: "The most revealing document, a 'short feedback' email, says Hoban wants Maximus' views on 'how we "sell" the Work Programme'."

Hoban has since made stern noises about tackling under-performance on the WP. But, as the Eye points out, this is indicative of the fact that the government is more concerned with covering up the failures than securing value for money.

One important link with government for A4e was Jonty Olliff-Cooper, and he has gone. The only publication to have picked up this fact is the Guardian, with a diary piece by Hugh Muir. He points out that Cooper used to be "assistant to eccentric [Tory] strategy guru Steve Hilton". Muir seems to be suggesting that Cooper has departed because the WP figures, due out shortly, are going to be terrible."

http://watchinga4e.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/a4e-and-government.html

"Figures, due out shortly", the Work Programme has been a complete failure. Expect Ian Duncan Smith to start dishing out harsher punishment to benefit claimants whilst he sucks on his orange slice.

shazza71_2

Interview in 2 weeks, think its to go on the WP, even tho i dont know what it is, means or entails