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donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

You say these 'course' are meant to give people a hard time but who is getting a hard time? I am getting a very EASY time

the little expeience you have of it is annoying you is it not? its annoying you enough to make you write to a government minister. so are you sure it isnt fitting the description? perhaps not a hard time but it is annoying you which adds up to the same thing really.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

If you ask oh and I have 'what help can you give me' and the reply is 'what do you want us to do' and I reply 'I dont know you tell me what you can do' and they say 'erm nothing' how then does that work?

i've experienced this before where they expect me to have all the answers even though its them being paid to come up with answers.

donnajunkie

strangeotron wrote: »

You don't need to; that's what the Jobseekers Agreement is for. That lists your obligation to the DWP to receive benefits.
You are not obliged to allow a provider to pass around your private info. If they want to apply for jobs on your behalf then they can send you the information and you can look at it and make that decision for yourself - and make it clear that receipt of such information isn't being obliged to apply for anything.

you cant refuse to apply for anything you can do.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

the little expeience you have of it is annoying you is it not? its annoying you enough to make you write to a government minister. so are you sure it isnt fitting the description? perhaps not a hard time but it is annoying you which adds up to the same thing really.

Little yeah - I have been on it a year in July so not sure how you say its 'little experience'

What's your experience then? LOTS?? LOL

I want to prove a point actually unlike you who moan I do something about it! I made the effort to write 5 times now to get replies and I still want answers.

It seems to annoy you as much as you have a lot to say about it too but probably no gumption to write a letter to get answers. You are probably a 'yes person' but likes to have a moan too!!!

IF the Gov and the DWP do not know what the providers are meant to be doing then how am I meant to?

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

i've experienced this before where they expect me to have all the answers even though its them being paid to come up with answers.

Yeah so what did you say to them then? Nothing I guess.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

this wont happen. if the government are happy then they will stay.

the JC told me they have heard the WP wont last long - last time I signed on I was asked how it was going so I told the bloke who told me all they have heard about the provider is that it was a waste of time and then he said we have a feeling it's going to be pulled soon.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

i can only talk in general and about what is most likely to happen. just because you get told things that may contradict that it does not mean it wont happen like that. by the way its bulls**t when they say they never get anyone like you. well think about it, are you really that special and unique?

I can only tell you what they have told me. You have no idea what level of chav goes to my provider. People who can't turn up on time, people in TRACKSUITS(!!), people who have to go on an IT course!!! LOL Like what moron can't use a PC!? My niece aged 8 can!!

If I was 'like them' then why am I not sitting in the training room they have having 'training' or doing a course? hmmmmm

I DONT NEED ONE!!!

bye

strangeotron

donnajunkie wrote: »

you cant refuse to apply for anything you can do.

This is my understanding of the WP. There are sites that discuss what the rules providers have to follow are as well as what claimants have to do. Go to https://www.consent.me.uk.

When a provider wants you to do something you have no choice in it's considered mandatory. Such activities have to be set out in writing. This is in the work programme provider guidelines chapter 3 that's on the DWP's own site (i don't have a link offhand). Such a text is usually referred to as an action plan; the point is that the claimant is meant to have access to this list of activities at any time. Providers can't just decide on a whim you have to do this or that. So long as you fulfill your JSAg there shouldn't be a problem.

of course these providers seem to think they can do what they like and cause trouble by referring you to a DWP decision maker as they see fit. But the rules are the rules. Also you don't have to sign an action plan. Refusing to do so will probably !!!! them off, but it is not meant to affect your entitlement to receive benefits.

You don't have to sign your personal info to the provider and if they are putting you forward for jobs without your say so then they risk breaking the rules.

What individuals do about this is entirely up to them and I caveat all the above by saying this is my understanding of the rules. I encourage everyone on this awful scheme to look up for themselves, make FOI requests, and get wise. These people are not here to help you, certainly not in my experience. If some people get help or enjoy the scheme then that's entirely their prerogative.

I doubt we will see the likes of Mr Moneysavingexpert Martin Lewis exposing this scam anytime soon, so it's up to us.

strangeotron

LadyMissA wrote: »

Little yeah - I have been on it a year in July so not sure how you say its 'little experience'

What's your experience then? LOTS?? LOL

I want to prove a point actually unlike you who moan I do something about it! I made the effort to write 5 times now to get replies and I still want answers.

It seems to annoy you as much as you have a lot to say about it too but probably no gumption to write a letter to get answers. You are probably a 'yes person' but likes to have a moan too!!!

IF the Gov and the DWP do not know what the providers are meant to be doing then how am I meant to?

The government don't care. It's all in the hands of the providers. Grayling is an inveterate sociopath and a barefaced liar. He's been caught out many times. Don't expect him to understand.

strangeotron

LadyMissA wrote: »

I can only tell you what they have told me. You have no idea what level of chav goes to my provider. People who can't turn up on time, people in TRACKSUITS(!!), people who have to go on an IT course!!! LOL Like what moron can't use a PC!? My niece aged 8 can!!

If I was 'like them' then why am I not sitting in the training room they have having 'training' or doing a course? hmmmmm

I DONT NEED ONE!!!

bye

Not sure about this post. Seems rather nasty to me. Divide and rule is what this government wants. Tracksuits are not illegal.