Tent for Homeless man

Lotus-eater

dawemouse wrote: »

who cares if he sells the stuff

Well he probably would, if it meant he got a tenner, instead of 30 squid directly in his hand.

Or is that me being far too sensible.

aliasojo

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Well he probably would, if it meant he got a tenner, instead of 30 squid directly in his hand.

Or is that me being far too sensible.

Its a two fold situation though.

It's about the recipient AND the giver.

I think we all just need to go with whatever feels like the right thing to do for us at the time. If that means doing something other than just handing money over then so be it. Maybe some think a homeless person would get longer benefit from a sleeping bag as opposed to the short term that £20 would last for. It's all down to individuality and our own thought process.

I think the important thing in all this is the fact due to a stranger's kindness, this homeless chap will at least get something and know someone cared enough to help.

Lotus-eater

aliasojo wrote: »

Its a two fold situation though.

It's about the recipient AND the giver.

I think we all just need to go with whatever feels like the right thing to do for us at the time. If that means doing something other than just handing money over then so be it. Maybe some think a homeless person would get longer benefit from a sleeping bag as opposed to the short term that £20 would last for. It's all down to individuality and our own thought process.

I think the important thing in all this is the fact due to a stranger's kindness, this homeless chap will at least get something and know someone cared enough to help.

Well that's where you are completely wrong, it's not about the giver, it's about the receiver.

What you are saying, is that it's ok to give and then forget, because you then feel great about it.

It's about the OP feeling great about it, without any thought as to how it will be received, but hey, that's OK, because the OP feels great about it.

Like the link and the one day working in a homeless shelter. Great! You feel better, what about the other 364 days of the year?

aliasojo

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Well that's where you are completely wrong, it's not about the giver, it's about the receiver.

What you are saying, is that it's ok to give and then forget, because you then feel great about it.

That's unfair, I did not say that at all, that is simply your interpretation, which is wrong.

It's about the OP feeling great about it, without any thought as to how it will be received, but hey, that's OK, because the OP feels great about it.

Like the link and the one day working in a homeless shelter. Great! You feel better, what about the other 364 days of the year?

Well we will have to agree to disagree I'm afraid.

I do think you have twisted my comments somewhat. I said it was a two fold situation. Not just about the giver, as you are making out I said.

(Not sure what you mean about the 'like the link' bit?)

This happens even in our own families. I gave my son something for Xmas that he would get use out of and I cared enough to want him to have this particular item as I knew he actually needed it. He would rather have got a designer shirt from USC.

My choice of gift was based on what I thought he needed and how comfortable I felt spending money on it. I would not have been happy spending £75 on a designer shirt despite my son's preference.

He got a gift that was useful and acceptable to me to give. Two-fold. Same as the homeless chap and this situation. Imo.

Lotus-eater

The links, was about someone wanting to spend Christmas day doing good things in the community, then not wanting to know for the rest of the year.
Which is exactly like the OP.
Yes great, give a homeless guy a load of stuff, he might, or might not need.

Don't worry if he really needs it, or doesn't need it, because it makes you feel good.

I'm sorry, THAT is how this feels.

Don't worry if he sells it, because it will mean he know someone cares about him, I suspect he would care more for the greater gift. £10, or £30.

Don't worry, because £10 of stuff means someone cares about you. £30 in the hand, means you get 2 more nights of happiness.

This is reality and not thinking about the giver, but the receiver.

aliasojo

Lotus-eater wrote: »

The links, was about someone wanting to spend Christmas day doing good things in the community, then not wanting to know for the rest of the year.
Which is exactly like the OP.
Yes great, give a homeless guy a load of stuff, he might, or might not need.

Don't worry if he really needs it, or doesn't need it, because it makes you feel good.

I'm sorry, THAT is how this feels.

Don't worry if he sells it, because it will mean he know someone cares about him, I suspect he would care more for the greater gift. £10, or £30.

Don't worry, because £10 of stuff means someone cares about you. £30 in the hand, means you get 2 more nights of happiness.

This is reality and not thinking about the giver, but the receiver.

But you're basing all that on your assumption that he would have preferred the cash.

Maybe he would just have been delighted with a sleeping bag, which most people would think was a reasonable and thoughtful item in the circumstances. It's not like we're talking about an unrealistic gift, like a day trip to Alton Towers.

Like I said, we'll agree to disagree over this. We obviously just look at this differently.

Lotus-eater

aliasojo wrote: »

But you're basing all that on your assumption that he would have preferred the cash.

Nope, I'm basing this on the assumption he should have been asked.

I've never said anything else this entire thread.

aliasojo

Lotus-eater wrote: »

Nope, I'm basing this on the assumption he should have been asked.

I've never said anything else this entire thread.

Fair enough.

I still don't agree though.

Lotus-eater

aliasojo wrote: »

Fair enough.

I still don't agree though.

You don't agree he should be asked what he wants to be given to him?

I give up :rotfl:

aliasojo

Lotus-eater wrote: »

You don't agree he should be asked what he wants to be given to him?

I give up :rotfl:

I don't agree he should have been asked.

Some would ask, some would prefer to give something.

Nothing wrong with either imo.

Yay! You gave up! I win. :D