SORTED - Supermarket scrape - what will happen next?

TrickyWicky

Yorkie1 wrote: »

I'm sorry Tricky Wicky but you are wrong. Please see my post above.

Section 170 RTA states categorically that there is a duty under s.170(1)(b)(i) and s.170(2) to stop and exchange details if required to do so, as outlined in my post previously if there is damage caused to another vehicle.

Where have I said you don't have to stop or give details? - You've even quoted me saying you must stop and exchange details if possible. Then you say I'm wrong and quote law that clearly states you must stop and give your details? My point was that its illegal to leave the scene without giving your details if there is personal injury involved OR the other party are there. If they are not there you can report it to the police. You then come back here saying pretty much the same thing?

As for the police station, I found nothing quoted about that in the highway code. I also reported an accident I'd had once to a copper in a car park. I'd scraped someones bumper (or thought I had) and reported it to a cop in the car park that was there. I was given a card to prove that I'd spoken to her, she took my details and I was never asked for a breath test. She then quite clearly told me I was free to continue my business. She rang me two days later to say that there had been no contact from the other cars owner so it couldn't of been me and if they did receive contact I need not worry as I'd done my part within 24 hours and they'd simply pass our details to each other.

Whilst I don't dispute the law you've quoted, it doesn't mean that the police actively enforce it 100% of the time. It's illegal to drive on the pavement yet people do it all the time when parking up on it without accessing a drive and the police drive past, it's illegal to cycle on the pavement yet youths are ignored by the police. You may well be right about what the law says but what it says and what the police enforce are two different things.

Yorkie1

TrickyWicky, I agree that we're probably agreeing, but the main thing in your post which caught my eye was this part.

Originally Posted by foxwales
It is a criminal offence to be involved in a Road Traffic Accident and to leave the scene.

No, only if there is a personal injury involved.

Your post therefore read as though the offence only arose if there had been personal injury. I was merely pointing out that it arose if only damage occurred.

And I needed to ensure that people knew the law as opposed to the paraphrase / less detail cited in your post.

But as I say, I think we're on the same lines - just clarifying and expressed slightly differently perhaps.

The_Turner

Yorkie1 wrote: »

TrickyWicky, I agree that we're probably agreeing, but the main thing in your post which caught my eye was this part.


Your post therefore read as though the offence only arose if there had been personal injury. I was merely pointing out that it arose if only damage occurred.

And I needed to ensure that people knew the law as opposed to the paraphrase / less detail cited in your post.

But as I say, I think we're on the same lines - just clarifying and expressed slightly differently perhaps.

why? are you the forum law trainer.

Other than Google where do you get it from as you've been wrong before.

mattyprice4004

What a complete **** he is, hope he has the book thrown at him.

Total ****ing moron.

TrickyWicky

mattyprice4004 wrote: »

What a complete **** he is, hope he has the book thrown at him.

Total ****ing moron.

It certainly gets your back up doesn't it.

Someone scraped my door a while back at a friends party. Left a lovely white mark on it like bird poo where it had scraped the lacquer from the paint. Most of that settled but it still left some paint scraped off. I left a note on the offending car with my number saying thanks for the scrape heres my number or i'll call the police. No-one ever rang me though and I had to think hard.. get the fuzz involved and tell the insurers or just put up with it.. I chose to put up with it. I'm still angry about it though, some people just don't give a damn and the paint touchup was a slightly darker shade too.

A while back I also had another person open their door on my car. My partner had gone in the supermarket while I waited as the passenger for once (I wasn't well so my partner was driving my car). Someone pulled in next to me and the passenger in the back opened his door on the car making a 'thud'. They were just going to walk away and were going round the back of the car when I jumped out of the passenger side saying "Just going to walk off after hitting my car eh?" The driver was some middle aged fat blonde chav who immediately flew into a rage at me. I just stood there and said "Don't get in a strop with me, your passenger smacked my car that makes you liable on your insurance so if I were you I'd shut it". She did too, the door had a very minor mark so I didn't bother with it and just told her to get lost as I couldn't be doing with the hassle of it but I was livid that she'd dared to have a go at me for it.

QuackQuack_2

Yorkie1 wrote: »

If damage is caused to another vehicle because of the presence of another vehicle on a road or other public place (so does include a supermarket car park)

When my trusty old Astra was pranged in the local Asda car park with the offender made off without leaving details, the Police took the view that it was 'private' land stating that whilst the owner allows the public to use it, it is private property and they do so at their own risk.

It's probably pretty rude to drive off at the very least - but apparently not always illegal to do so. Mind you..... karma is a funny thing. A few weeks later my dirty old Land Rover happened to prang the vehicle that hit me, in the very same car park. Shame about that.

IANAL - I can only base my contribution on my own experience and that is what happened to me around three years ago.

The_Turner

QuackQuack wrote: »

When my trusty old Astra was pranged in the local Asda car park with the offender made off without leaving details, the Police took the view that it was 'private' land stating that whilst the owner allows the public to use it, it is private property and they do so at their own risk.

It's probably pretty rude to drive off at the very least - but apparently not always illegal to do so. Mind you..... karma is a funny thing. A few weeks later my dirty old Land Rover happened to prang the vehicle that hit me, in the very same car park. Shame about that.

IANAL - I can only base my contribution on my own experience and that is what happened to me around three years ago.

The police were probably wrong about your local Asda car park.

And you certainly were in the wrong.

QuackQuack_2

The_Turner wrote: »

The police were probably wrong about your local Asda car park.

And you certainly were in the wrong.

I see - I think you've mistaken me for someone who gives a **** about your opinion.

Have you considered the notion that **YOU** could be wrong? Of course not......

The_Turner

QuackQuack wrote: »

I see - I think you've mistaken me for someone who gives a **** about your opinion.

Have you considered the notion that **YOU** could be wrong? Of course not......

You're worse than the op's nephew.

QuackQuack_2

The_Turner wrote: »

You're worse than the op's nephew.

So that's a 'no' then. Thanks for confirming that.