Black Ice? Please Don't Panic!!!!!!

Trebor16

Strider590 wrote: »

But again, we're talking about black ice on an otherwise clear road.
There was again a few small patches of black ice this morning on two roads I have to use, if i'd called my employer and said "I can't come in due to a few patches of black ice", they'd look out of the window, see the clear dry carpark, laugh and then promptly fire my a**.

And my post was in relation to snow and ice. But Mikey has put the point well with regards to keeping a safe distance from the vehicle in front, especially if you know black ice is out there.

cyclonebri1

DTDfanBoy wrote: »

1stly You own limitations will always be restricted but the vehicle you are driving.

2ndly I'm not referring to traction control, I'm referring to vehicle stability control

The systems vary between vehicles, but the more advanced ones will control drive and braking forces to each wheel individually and also actively adjust the suspension. This is something that isn't manually possible in the majority of vehicles, the exception being vehicles which have been heavily modified for specific motor sports.

Essentially it allows the vehicle to use every last ounce of friction from the road surface under each wheel, which obviously offers a huge advantage over vehicles without the system in place.

The biggest problem with this technology is not enough people out there understand what it can achieve.

Get out your car manuals and read them people, this technology could save your life :j

By the vehicle I think??

Wrong, all cars have wheels, grip, brakes etc. and have to abide by the laws of physics, you decide how to apply them.

The vehicle is not a robot, it's as smart as the "nut behind the wheel"

Sorry chap but I think you are the example I quoted originally, you've been brainwashed into thinking the car is smarter than you???????|

Strider590

The whole ESP thing is getting out of hand, the fact is it's designed so that the driver does not have to act in the event of the car starting to go out of control......

Why? Because most people wouldn't have a clue what to do.

mikey72 wrote: »

So why are you banging on about needing 1/4 of a mile to stop.
If the road is otherwise clear, apart from a few small patches, don't drive so far up his a*se that you are on the black ice at the same time.
As I said, leave a reasonable gap, when you see him slide on the small patch of black ice, you brake before you get there too.
If you insist on driving at your normal speed, as close as you normally are to people, you're going to hit them.

You never know where the black ice is going to be........ Which was the whole bl**dy point!
In which case there is no safe following distance, as ya'll keep "banging on about" (except the 1/4 mile), because you'd have to treat the whole road as though it's sheet ice in order to be safe for that one little 2m patch.

The following distance argument simply does not stand up!

ariba10

DTDfanBoy wrote: »

1stly You own limitations will always be restricted but the vehicle you are driving.

2ndly I'm not referring to traction control, I'm referring to vehicle stability control

The systems vary between vehicles, but the more advanced ones will control drive and braking forces to each wheel individually and also actively adjust the suspension. This is something that isn't manually possible in the majority of vehicles, the exception being vehicles which have been heavily modified for specific motor sports.

Essentially it allows the vehicle to use every last ounce of friction from the road surface under each wheel, which obviously offers a huge advantage over vehicles without the system in place.

The biggest problem with this technology is not enough people out there understand what it can achieve.

Get out your car manuals and read them people, this technology could save your life :j

But does it understand the laws of Physics?

mikey72

Strider590 wrote: »

You never know where the black ice is going to be........ Which was the whole bl**dy point!
In which case there is no safe following distance, as ya'll keep "banging on about" (except the 1/4 mile), because you'd have to treat the whole road as though it's sheet ice in order to be safe for that one little 2m patch.

The following distance argument simply does not stand up!

So, two views then it appears.

You don't know where black ice is, the car in front hits the ice, and you nearly run into him because he can't drive on ice, and even though you can, he still makes you hit him.

Or

You're driving normally on a freezing cold morning, far too fast, and far too close.
Not allowing for conditions at all, as you don't believe you need to alter your stopping distance from warm and dry.
The car in front hits the ice, and starts to twitch, then slide.
You see it clearly, but you're too close to do anything, as by now you're on the same 2m patch, and you do exactly the same thing.

The_Turner

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Sorry chap but I think you are the example I quoted originally, you've been brainwashed into thinking the car is smarter than you???????|

And if they were yours would have stopped you reversing into something you knew was there.

How smart is that?

vaio

must be catching :rotfl::rotfl:

cyclonebri1

The_Turner wrote: »

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

You having some it issues?

Oh my dear:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Put the bottle down turner:A, please:T

Pee

I've been driving for over 10 years, have done a lot of miles and would consider myself a reasonably good driver in most conditions. I have to say that with ice and snow, although I have had a couple of bad winters in my driving lifetime and I drive as though the car needs new brake pads, it is luck or a higher being that has kept me safe.

cyclonebri1

Pee wrote: »

I've been driving for over 10 years, have done a lot of miles and would consider myself a reasonably good driver in most conditions. I have to say that with ice and snow, although I have had a couple of bad winters in my driving lifetime and I drive as though the car needs new brake pads, it is luck or a higher being that has kept me safe.

No chap, it's just your instinct for self preservation

To be honest the last 10 years have been pretty reasonable overall.
A couple of good snowfalls but not typical of the 60/70/80's

If the real weather comes back there is a sharp learnnig curve to come for some,:eek: