Black Ice? Please Don't Panic!!!!!!

mikey72

Pee wrote: »

I've been driving for over 10 years, have done a lot of miles and would consider myself a reasonably good driver in most conditions. I have to say that with ice and snow, although I have had a couple of bad winters in my driving lifetime and I drive as though the car needs new brake pads, it is luck or a higher being that has kept me safe.

Sound like the right skill as well there.

DTDfanBoy

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

By the vehicle I think??

Wrong, all cars have wheels, grip, brakes etc. and have to abide by the laws of physics, you decide how to apply them.

The vehicle is not a robot, it's as smart as the "nut behind the wheel"

Sorry chap but I think you are the example I quoted originally, you've been brainwashed into thinking the car is smarter than you???????|

I'm very keen to know how you can manually apply for example brake to the rear left, and drive to the front right and any sort of cenventional vehicle

I don't think the car is smarter than me, given enough time I'm sure I could calculate the forces involved, the difference is that a computer will do those calculations in a fraction of a second, and then apply the correct measures in a way that it's impossible to do yourself.

The facts are it's a system which works, why do you think motor sports around the world have been debating for the last decade how much electronic intervention the car should have ?

Surely, if as you suggest, it's something the average driver could achieve themselves, no one would have an issue with it being widely implemented throughout motorsports.

Or do you think that there's a chance that it's a technology that even the worlds best drivers would benefit from

NBLondon

Strider590 wrote: »

How can you make Jo Average see any benefit it having it? Most people think ABS and traction control do the same thing, you couldn't even advertise ESP, because the adverts would look exactly the same as for ABS and TC, and people would just think it was a worthless gimmick...

For the driving a lot of people do; they rarely need the traction control or stability systems. They wouldn't see it as worth spending £X00 for the one time in 300 it would be useful. ABS is more straightforward because everybody understands the emergency stop. So you'd have to sell it heavily on "this makes it safer for you and the kiddies in the back". Selling it on "helps you drive more safely in winter" doesn't work for the people who rarely drive in serious winter conditions or who are scared to.

Then there's the risk that some people will assume that the technology does everything and they don't need to be aware of changing circumstances.

DTDfanBoy

ariba10 wrote: »

But does it understand the laws of Physics?

Considering it's a system designed to control inertia, I suspect the programmers involved have a vague idea of the basics

glasgowdan

I was approaching a left turn from a bus lane today (outwith bus lane hours) and started skidding at 20mph as I applied light braking near the turn. Van in driving lane to my right just ahead of me started indicating left as well so the van was turning in front of me as I was skidding.

However, I took my foot back off the brake, allowed the car to square up again, then applied light braking, backed off, on, off about 4 times and kept everything well under control,. no problem at all. The road did not appear to be icy at all and I didn't know it was until I broke.

Had I been driving at 30, been unaware the van was turning left, or kept my foot slammed on the brake, I would have either hit the van in front of me or slid out sideways into the lane to my right.

Take it easy is my only advice, allow 10 mins extra, and simply don't rush. There is no rush...

The_Turner

How many drivers really have the skill to get it back once they've lost it on the ice?

Strider590

The_Turner wrote: »

How many drivers really have the skill to get it back once they've lost it on the ice?

*cough* *cough*



Video to Youtube very soon

The_Turner

Strider590 wrote: »

*cough* *cough*



Video to Youtube very soon

Maybe the true skill is spotting it before.

ariba10

I think there are some people on here confusing driving on snow with driving on ice.

Strider590

The_Turner wrote: »

Maybe the true skill is spotting it before.

Problem in that instance was the car in front didn't find the ice patch, but due to an oncoming car I was forced over just a few more inches and did hit the ice. Thus it took me even more by surprise...... Instinct kicked in though, caught the slide, fish tailed a little and got it straight again. It wasn't until 30 seconds later that I thought "sh*t, that was quite scary".