Good luck to state workers picketing today

ruggedtoast

wymondham wrote: »

My 2p....

Everyone knows the pension level is unsustainable and everyone has to pay more and get back less, but for some reason public workers take it personally and think they are a special case ...... sorry, but this is one we are all in. Get back to work and grow up!

Closing schools and cancelling operations is so 1970's....... and does not help one jot.

Everyone knows, everyone knows.. everyone is pig ignorant. How many of you 'everyone knowers' know anything based on fact, numbers or statistics?

Oh right that's left three people in the room. Repeat the question. No the time share presentation is next door, OH LOOK AN EMPTY ROOM.

Rubbish.

wymondham

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Everyone knows, everyone knows.. everyone is pig ignorant. How many of you 'everyone knowers' know anything based on fact, numbers or statistics?

Oh right that's left three people in the room. Repeat the question. No the time share presentation is next door, OH LOOK AN EMPTY ROOM.

Rubbish.

public worker?

UKPLC is bust...... its easy to work out isnt it?

paulmapp8306

I may be wrong about the average pension

An average TEACHERS Pension is £14k.

Still, I stand by my point. Its optional. if you want the pension pay whats asked and get back whats offered. If you dontlike it - opt out and find another pension.

julieq

grizzly1911 wrote: »

So the Banks pay a proportion of their vast revenues and profit in tax. What is wrong with that?

They wouldn't be here if it didn't suit them so they are happy that they pay cheaper tax and costs here than elsewhere.

Those Fat Cats are happily lapping up a good proportion of you pension funds too. Not just in the annual fees but through transaction movements too. They certainly haven't done my pot any favours even before the fall started.

I would also suggest that the tax they do pay is the minimum they can possibly get away with, nothing wrong with that by the way if the HMRC and Governement are happy to be lax. That again is a political decision just as the pension and pay cap now.

as I say, diversionary diatribe. Nice one.

Graham_Devon

FTBFun wrote: »

That wasn't really "private sector" though, rather an ill-thought out hodge-podge of the two sectors together.

Some public healthcare systems are insurance backed in which actual provision is carried out by private hospitals but the funding is through a government run or government backed scheme.

Ok, those care homes.

I don't disagree that the private sector could do some things better. But unfortunately, at the moment, there isn't much evidence of this...whether its care homes, BT, bloody domestic fuel companies, or water companies....or indeed, any involvement with the NHS.

Is it all hot air, or does anyone have actual evidence that, in this country, the private sector has done a better job?

It seems to me all the private sector comes in and does is make everything terribly expensive and then wrap a noose around the taxpayers neck by forcing benefits to rise, to cover their profits.

We have all manor of areas whereby the private sector has taken over public sector.

ILW

We keep hearing about nurses, firemen, soldiers etc. Does anybody know what percentage of the public sector falls into these categories that may find working longer difficult, as opposed to those that are basically in sedentary positions.

julieq

Well, the trains run on time better now. I have a good deal on dual fuel. Cars work better than British Leyland ones did.

But apart from that, just what have the Romans done for us?

ILW

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Ok, those care homes.

I don't disagree that the private sector could do some things better. But unfortunately, at the moment, there isn't much evidence of this...whether its care homes, BT, bloody domestic fuel companies, or water companies....or indeed, any involvement with the NHS.

Is it all hot air, or does anyone have actual evidence that, in this country, the private sector has done a better job?

It seems to me all the private sector comes in and does is make everything terribly expensive and then wrap a noose around the taxpayers neck by forcing benefits to rise, to cover their profits.

We have all manor of areas whereby the private sector has taken over public sector.

Do you actually remember BT from the pre privatisation time?

lostinrates

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And I'm not sure which company runs a private police, fire or coastguard service.

Also not too sure which company runs Armys.

I'm not prepared to name the, but I know of them...not coast guards though:). My father was a director of one until recently that had a fire service, a ''small army'' of body guards and a larger one of security personel, a further security operation operating much like a police force......

Graham_Devon

julieq wrote: »

Well, the trains run on time better now. I have a good deal on dual fuel. Cars work better than British Leyland ones did.

But apart from that, just what have the Romans done for us?

That's it?

You have a good deal on duel fuel compared to what? The other deals available at the moment? Whoopie for you. Fact is, we still need to offer winter payments to those on benefits just so they don't freeze, insulation to those on benefits and old age to keep their bills lower. Solar to keep bills lower...ALL at PUBLIC cost. How many other countries do this!?

Cars work better? Fantastic. Thats technology.

Trains run btter on time. They may do. But they are actively pricing people out of getting to work, and they are, actually hitting new records of overcrowding each year.

Seriously. Give me one private sector takeover that has made things cheaper and better for us all.