New freedom of bill act making PPC tickets legally backed?

shabba19

Hi guys am i right in assuming the new bill will make the tickets 'real' so to speak? if so what happens to all the tickets recently issued, do these require payment now or in the future?

Thanks in advance

TrickyWicky

You can't back date an offence. Anything up until the point that the new bil becomes law doesn't really matter. If you've just got one forget it.

scabbyfiver

Thanks for all this information. I'm getting rather worried about the whole thing now.

I'll take your advice rather than those PPC plants who register purely to unsettle people. You can spot them a mile off.

shabba19

scabbyfiver wrote: »

Thanks for all this information. I'm getting rather worried about the whole thing now.

I'll take your advice rather than those PPC plants who register purely to unsettle people. You can spot them a mile off.

Yup im getting quite worried to, especially as the government have stolen our only defence mechanism!! i want to ignore the nasty little tickets but i dont want to get haunted by it again in the future!

scabbyfiver

shabba19 wrote: »

Yup im getting quite worried to, especially as the government have stolen our only defence mechanism!! i want to ignore the nasty little tickets but i dont want to get haunted by it again in the future!

:cheesy::cheesy:

esmerobbo

Keeper liability in the freedom bill is a right !!!! up! What is it going to make the keeper liable for?
Unless they give PPC's criminal or statutory powers what can they do?

If its a liability to disclose the driver what are they going to do if the keeper does not tell them?

If they sue the keeper, what are they going to sue them for?

Even if they did manage to get the keeper to court, they would still have to prove either a contract was formed, the charge was a true remedy for their loss and not a penalty. Or they want compensation for trespass, which would again only cover loss! All this against a third party who may not have even been there?

The only thing it will give them is a levering tool to try and intimidate the keeper.

The_Slithy_Tove

shabba19 wrote: »

Hi guys am i right in assuming the new bill will make the tickets 'real' so to speak?

Nope, they'll be just as fake.

shabba19 wrote: »

Yup im getting quite worried to, especially as the government have stolen our only defence mechanism!!!

Tripe. There are still plenty of defences, chiefly that of trying to extract more than the actual loss to the landowner/operator.

SodG24

shabba19 wrote: »

Hi guys am i right in assuming the new bill will make the tickets 'real' so to speak? if so what happens to all the tickets recently issued, do these require payment now or in the future?

Thanks in advance

The liability switches to the RK - so what ? All the RK needs to do is ignore. PPCs will try their hand in court for a while but contract law will win out and eventually they will get fed up of losing money.

SodG24

TrickyWicky wrote: »

You can't back date an offence. Anything up until the point that the new bil becomes law doesn't really matter. If you've just got one forget it.

And equally no "offence" has been committed.

SodG24

scabbyfiver wrote: »

Thanks for all this information. I'm getting rather worried about the whole thing now.

I'll take your advice rather than those PPC plants who register purely to unsettle people. You can spot them a mile off.

Worried about what exactly ? The contractual situation will remain the same - i.e. they can only sue for losses. Given most of these invoices come from free car parks what exactly are they going to sue for ?

bargepole

The so-called "keeper liability" part of this Bill isn't going to come into force any time soon.

The Govt. have said that they won't bring it in until and unless there's a properly independent appeals process in place, but they aren't going to provide any funding for that.

The BPA are trying to get the Govt. to fund it, but that's falling on deaf ears, and it's unlikely the BPA will want to cough up the £millions it would take to have a national infrastructure for this - Simon Renshaw-Smith of Excel might have to downsize to a smaller yacht!