pip criteria

clemmatis

krisskross wrote: »

No I am not bothered about what sort of care people purchase. But surely if you have identified needs in order to claim the benefit then the money should be used to fund help for those needs one way or another. It shouldn't just drop into general income to be saved or used to pay off loans whilst the claimed for needs are left unmet.

Our present government appear determined to reduce the benefit bill and I feel a lot of DLA claims are dubious to say the least and not before time that the situation is addressed.

I also feel that the claimant should bear a proportion of the costs involved if they appeal a decision that is then upheld at appeal.

But you and your husband spend the extra money from his Attendance Allowance on needs irrelevant to Attendance Allowance, as you say yourself:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3688699

what you really mean is, there are many currently legitimately receiving DLA who should, in your view, not receive it.

krisskross

clemmatis wrote: »

But you and your husband spend the extra money from his Attendance Allowance on needs irrelevant to Attendance Allowance, as you say yourself:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3688699

what you really mean is, there are many currently legitimately receiving DLA who should, in your view, not receive it.

No all my husband's care needs are met with or without AA. So now are you wanting only the poor and deserving disabled to receive financial help? Especially the ones who leave their care needs unmet....possibly because the 'needs' have been exaggerated in order to meet the criteria for claiming.

Mupette

how can you assume people exaggerate their needs just to get dla without understanding what their needs are in relation to their illness.

This is just a question.

Would people know what my needs are, I have MS would people know automatically what my needs are?

krisskross

Mupette wrote: »

how can you assume people exaggerate their needs just to get dla without understanding what their needs are in relation to their illness.

This is just a question.

Would people know what my needs are, I have MS would people know automatically what my needs are?

Oh come on. All of us long standing members of MSE are very well aware of how DLA claims are exaggerated and manipulated to ensure the desired outcome and award. What about all the advice to complete the forms as if every day was your worst day?

I don't need to know exactly what the needs are to be sure that in some cases they are exaggerated. If your claim is completely genuine then I am sure the truth will be enough.

thebrink

I currently receive low rate care and low rate mobilty since 2000 its £19.55 a week for each component so the news that 652,000 on the same awards will be losing out is very distressing whats the chances of being upgraded to standard rate pip if the dwp are abolishing the low rate completely? I doubt very much if i will even get to the face to face assessment stage after filling in the form disability alliance have expressed concerns and are considering possible legal action on their website as my condition is fluctuating i never challenged the dla decision but £40 a week less through a change in the benefits system not a change in circumstances seems unjust to make peoples conditions worse seems criminal

GlasweJen

Oh come on, low care is a joke! There's no low equivalent in attendance allowance so really PIP is just addressing that.

Low mobility will be reformed but it won't disappear.

Id love to see the cut off scores for each benefit though, I can't work mine out on PIP, it's fairly high since they added "supervision" back in.

clemmatis

GlasweJen wrote: »

Oh come on, low care is a joke! There's no low equivalent in attendance allowance so really PIP is just addressing that.

Low mobility will be reformed but it won't disappear.

There's no mobility component in Attendance Allowance either. But I bet you don't think that should be removed from PIP.

And by the way, Low Rate is disappearing altogether.

GlasweJen

No, I think high mobility should be available for AA claimants.

There will be a standard mobility component and an enhanced mobility component of PIP http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/personal-independence-payment-faqs.pdf
So 2 components just like the current DLA

Brassedoff

krisskross wrote: »

Oh come on. All of us long standing members of MSE are very well aware of how DLA claims are exaggerated and manipulated to ensure the desired outcome and award. What about all the advice to complete the forms as if every day was your worst day?

I don't need to know exactly what the needs are to be sure that in some cases they are exaggerated. If your claim is completely genuine then I am sure the truth will be enough.

Yes, I quite agree. How many times do you see on this forum newbies asking questions on here only for many of the same posters to highlight other illnesses they may have.

PIP(DLA) should be for the disabled, those who are ill should be restricted to ESA and not get sight of a blue badge. I am cheesed off of reading about "my OH who is suffering from a mild/medium mental illness and needs a blue badge because getting closer to the shops is "therapeutic". Am I being harsh? Yes, but getting no where near any blue badge slot for the past ten days without a long wait and then seeing the "disabled" person(s) coming back with more baggage than pack mule makes me made. Do they need it? I don't know, but if they can manage the sales crowds and carry that much gear, they don't have that much need of a blue badge and can walk the extra few distance to the "regular" car park.

Rant over.

Natty68

I know that I certainly don't exaggerate my illness, and haven't with the DLA form I have in the past filled in. I also know that when my last renewals came up I wasn't called for an assessment for both DLA and IB - I just got the letters to say I had passed the threshold.. Now I am not sure if this is because Bipolar is classed as a severe mental illness or not, although now I have been also diagnosed with BPD/EID I am basically scared about the PIP requirements.

I know that if they take away the LRC/LRM of DLA/PIP then that is basically my lifeline gone. I use this rate of DLA to keep my car on the road which in turn allows me to go to my "safe places" without having to rely on public transport, which I can't do, or rely on my husband or reinforcement team member to take me out. This is not always practical as how do I ring them up and say "hey I want to go to xx place " or wait for my husband to come in from work. Also I would be unable to get to my group therapy or psychiatrists appointments without my car.

So as you can see I am terrified of this PIP, I'm also terrified that I could lose my ESA on review as believe me that would definately send me over the edge. Daft as it may sound but it would mean I couldn't afford my meds, yes I know I can get the pre-paid certificate - which I do have. And £10 a month may not sound a lot to some but when you don't have any income, apart from your DH's then it leaves you high and dry. Also I wouldn't even be able to claim JSA due to household income being over their limit. So what is this going to do to someone that has severe mental health issues.

People may say I would automatically get support group, or medium rate of DLA, but how do we know that maybe these people at ATOS don't see me on a good day or even a manic day.. Heck in their eyes I wouldn't even qualify.

Eeeks sorry that waffled on..didn't mean to.