pip criteria

Richie-from-the-Boro

Are people here confused between two benefits and two very different meanings ?

Care / DLA & Care CPA [Care Programme Approach] are different, the CPA for people over 16 years of age does have a criterion attached, which in general terms is described as 'Regular and Substantial' and applies to adults with mental health / learning disability needs.

Individuals who require funding for the provision of direct care and the family relative who provide that regular and substantial care would usually be party to a Carer's assessment leading to a CPA plan.

Someone 'caring about' you is not the same as someone 'caring for' you and 'regular and substantial' means at least a solid 10 hours per week of regular and substantial help.

Richie-from-the-Boro

GlasweJen wrote: »

I still can't work out my pip score, even with the supervision put back in!

- they're not finalised yet Jen
- although the weighting will come close [ish]
- littleowese / bigowese gets both the descriptor & the points skewed anyway
- so some little way to go yet in terms of the real numbers being revealed
- most of the changes [STRIKE]seem to[/STRIKE] have benefited the MH group

O/T - may you both live as long as you want, and never want as long as you live and if I may pay respects to you and your fellah - here's to a sweetheart, a bottle, and a friend. The first beautiful, the second full, the last ever faithful.

- are you still 'banged up' on xmas day or are they going to let you escape ?

GlasweJen

Thanks Ritchie. I'm getting collected at 11 and need to be back in for 5 but I am allowed a unit of alcohol! So now debating if it's to be a glass of wine or a vodka. Tough choices lol. BF said I should try focusing on getting better but I bought new shoes instead

zzzLazyDaisy

GlasweJen wrote: »

BF said I should try focusing on getting better but I bought new shoes instead

Good for you, Jen! Shows you ARE getting better when you can get your priorities right. Shoes win every time

A_Flock_Of_Sheep

To get Lower Rate PIP you need to score minimum of 100 points. For Higher Rate PIP you need to score 175 points or more.

Cpt.Scarlet

A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »

To get Lower Rate PIP you need to score minimum of 100 points. For Higher Rate PIP you need to score 175 points or more.

Why are you trying to scare people?

The qualification scores for PIP have not been announced yet, so your figures are fake.

Even if someone scored the maximum points for every descriptor the maximum score for care is 76 points so you're talking rubbish.

rogerblack

krisskross wrote: »

Either the help or the money.

HRC DLA is almost £300 a month.....a lot of money. Value should be obtained for an outlay of this size. It shouldn't just be extra income.

I'd love to know where one can get care for the full period of supervision (24h or 16h/day) for 44 or 39p/hour.

If you read all the caselaw, and decisions, the DLA tests can be somewhat misleading.

For example the cooking test - this is not merely a test of your ability to cook, but it's an overall assessment of you at a complex task.
If you're unable to cook, you're likely to have significant needs in other areas.

You're not even required to have ever cooked at all in your life, in order to pass this test.

I am currently appealing my DLA refusal, and - based on the criteria - hoping for an award of mid-rate care, and high rate mobility.

My arguments are on the face of them for care that I require supervision to avoid danger, and it would seem nonsensical that I should be paid money, and not be required to purchase this supervision.

I can swap my HRM for a car, through the motability scheme.
Would I be happy to do this for care - sure!

But this seems unlikely to be funded.

Instead, if I am awarded mid-rate care, I shall use this cash to reduce the dangers.
This is because the danger partially arises because I'm having to do too much for my energy levels, and becoming unsafe as I'm dangerously tired.

The 'care' I may well end up purchasing is things like someone to come in and do the hedge - this currently takes me several weeks, during which time I can do nothing else.
Or someone to come and put down 10 tons or so of gravel, so that the amount I need to do in the garden is greatly reduced.

This is not traditional 'care' - but it would have almost the same impact as someone with me 18 hours a day.
My levels of fatigue would go down, enabling me to both better manage my health, and to perhaps consider occasionally going out, rather than running around trying to do tasks (washing, cooking, keeping the house and garden clean) that take all my energy.

System

rogerblack-

It seems from your post that you are claiming DLA for a physical disability and not a mental disability. Am I right?

To be entitled to the middle rate of care you have to be needing constant supervision from another person throughout the day.7 days a week. And for the hight rate of care you must be needing constant supervision throughout the day,7 days a week. AND someone to be awake to watch over you throughout the night.7 nights a week.

But you don't have to actually have someone with you day and night. You just have to show that you have a need for the care. DLA is based on the care you need, not the care you are getting.

I get the high rate of care and low mobility rate for mental illness, because I have those needs. But you can get middle or high rate of care for a physical disability also. If you have those needs.

It is possible to get the high mobility rate for mental illness.But only for severe mental impairment. That is if you have a leaning disability or are autistic or have an IQ below 30 per cent.Or arrested development of the brain.Also you must meet the criteria for the high rate of care to qualify for the high mobility rate for mental illness.

So most people will get the low mobility rate for mental illness. And if you are applying for the high mobility rate for mental illness. The DWP will not make an award with out sending a DSS doctor round to access you first.And the DSS doctor will look at the whole claim.So the criteria for the high mobility rate for mental illness is very strict.

But if however you were unable to walk and have a mental illness.Then you would qualify for the high mobility rate.

But you can get the high mobility rate for a physical disability alone,if your ability to be able to walk unaided is affected.Or if you are unable to walk.

You should get supporting evidence, such as a letter from your doctor or consultant stating that you need constant supervision day or night, or day and night.If you have those needs, and make sure that the letter from the doctor or consultant addresses the questions they ask on the form.

But it you don't have to be getting the supervision to qualify for middle or high rate of care. But you must show there is a need for it.And that you have that need.
So a supporting letter from your doctor or consultant is proof of that. As well as what you tell them in the claim form.Barbara.

rogerblack

I'm quite aware of the criteria AnnBarbs, I was trying to address KrissKross's point that the care component should only be spent on what might be viewed as 'traditional' care.

krisskross

rogerblack wrote: »

I'm quite aware of the criteria AnnBarbs, I was trying to address KrissKross's point that the care component should only be spent on what might be viewed as 'traditional' care.

No I am not bothered about what sort of care people purchase. But surely if you have identified needs in order to claim the benefit then the money should be used to fund help for those needs one way or another. It shouldn't just drop into general income to be saved or used to pay off loans whilst the claimed for needs are left unmet.

Our present government appear determined to reduce the benefit bill and I feel a lot of DLA claims are dubious to say the least and not before time that the situation is addressed.

I also feel that the claimant should bear a proportion of the costs involved if they appeal a decision that is then upheld at appeal.