Friends sponging off benefits, so disappointed

kelloggs36

Graham_Devon wrote:

And before you say it, yes I do need to grow up....spent most of the weekend playing the Xbox 360 with a mate, running around shooting each other!! Highlight of it all was watching my mate go down with a cunning sniper headshot I carried out! (yay me) So please, do tell me to grow up, and no, I don't want too

You may play with my ex then!!!! He plays X box live every Friday and Saturday night doing exactly what you described. (well, he did when I was seeing him!!) Don't know if he has a 360.

Anyway, I agree with everything you say. Hear Hear.

kelloggs36

Chrysalis wrote:

I doubt benefit fraud has much impact on NHS ward closures. In fact it has zero impact. The money involved is a drop in the ocean.

I wouldnt shop any friend or family.

If I seen a stranger who I believed was fiddling the system lets say a neighbour, rather then going straight to the phone I would confront them and ask them first before jumping to conclusions. Let them explain their situation, they may well tell me to bog off but I find that more respectable then sneakily doing stuff behind someones back and assuming the worst of them.

Stealing money from a till is something completely different and is a blatant crime which I would report, if a friend did shop lifting or something again I wouldnt report them but I would try and persuade them to own up.Why is it different? Stealing is stealing. To steal you intend to take something from somebody else with a view to keeping it on a permenant basis. If somebody is working and claiming, or living together whilst claimint to be a single parent, they are not entitled to the money. If they chose a different method of stealing it, such as robbing a bank, or mugging somebody to get it, does that make it worse? No, I don't think so. It hurts the most vulnerable because there is less money left over for them.

This attitude from taxpayers where they hold benefit claimants on par with a bank robber as criminals is fueled by their anger having to pay tax and seeing someone get more out of the system them theirselves. I have come to realise there will always be some benefit fraud, it cannot be wiped out without causing legitamate claimants to not get benefit, it is by far the better option to make sure anyone who deserves benefit to get it at the cost of some fraudalent claims, the only result of this aggressiveness to make the welfare system tougher is the people who need it have it tougher. Those of you who report someone and hear nothing think twice before you ring back, its probably because they found nothing to be wrong and you wonder why the system is lagged, its because of all the false repeat allegations.

Not really. I am angry that they see fit to steal from us all and get away with it. THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM A BANK ROBBER, THEY JUST DON'T THREATEN TO KILL SOMEBODY!!! If one of them broke into your house and quietly stole your money then you would be pretty pis**d off about it. This is exactly the same. That money belongs to me rather than them if I have paid my taxes. Whilist I cannot say where my money goes directly, I trust that it goes to the greater good of the Country, and I'm afraid that a benefit fraudster is not the greater good in my book. I don't work in order to give my money to somebody who WANTS more money. So do I, but I would rather get mine legally.

angelfire

Chrysalis wrote:

I doubt benefit fraud has much impact on NHS ward closures. In fact it has zero impact. The money involved is a drop in the ocean.

I wouldnt shop any friend or family.

If I seen a stranger who I believed was fiddling the system lets say a neighbour, rather then going straight to the phone I would confront them and ask them first before jumping to conclusions. Let them explain their situation, they may well tell me to bog off but I find that more respectable then sneakily doing stuff behind someones back and assuming the worst of them.

Stealing money from a till is something completely different and is a blatant crime which I would report, if a friend did shop lifting or something again I wouldnt report them but I would try and persuade them to own up.

This attitude from taxpayers where they hold benefit claimants on par with a bank robber as criminals is fueled by their anger having to pay tax and seeing someone get more out of the system them theirselves. I have come to realise there will always be some benefit fraud, it cannot be wiped out without causing legitamate claimants to not get benefit, it is by far the better option to make sure anyone who deserves benefit to get it at the cost of some fraudalent claims, the only result of this aggressiveness to make the welfare system tougher is the people who need it have it tougher. Those of you who report someone and hear nothing think twice before you ring back, its probably because they found nothing to be wrong and you wonder why the system is lagged, its because of all the false repeat allegations.

Chrysalis - seeing as I'm one of these taxpayers i feel compelled to reply to your statement. I have no problem paying tax and even less problem with my money going to help those that genuinely need it. My 'anger' is not because others are getting more out of the system than myself, it's because they are getting money to which they are not entitled - why is this so difficult to grasp?

These cheats are more than capable of going out and working the same way I do, they just can't be bothered!

Look at it like this, if taxes were scrapped and we were just told to call in on one benefit cheat on our way home from work and give them their housekeeping for the week from our own wages - would you see it as fair then?

Try as I might I just can't understand the people that think claiming money you're not entitled to isn't wrong. i'm baffled...

Graham_Devon

kelloggs36 wrote:

You may play with my ex then!!!! He plays X box live every Friday and Saturday night doing exactly what you described. (well, he did when I was seeing him!!) Don't know if he has a 360.

Anyway, I agree with everything you say. Hear Hear.

How dare you!! Unless your ex is female, then possibly, but otherwise....how dare you!! I feel positively violated

And no, I can't have possibly been playing with him as my mate was sat next to me on the sofa....where I played with him

Big gap between us though....filled with pies obviously....of the eating variety....Oh good god.

Let's start again. My mate came round, twiddled with my joypad and I shot him in the face. :rolleyes: It was not your ex, no. (was he good at shooting?!).



Let's talk benefits

Graham_Devon

Chrysalis wrote:

This attitude from taxpayers where they hold benefit claimants on par with a bank robber as criminals is fueled by their anger having to pay tax and seeing someone get more out of the system them theirselves. I have come to realise there will always be some benefit fraud, it cannot be wiped out without causing legitamate claimants to not get benefit, it is by far the better option to make sure anyone who deserves benefit to get it at the cost of some fraudalent claims, the only result of this aggressiveness to make the welfare system tougher is the people who need it have it tougher. Those of you who report someone and hear nothing think twice before you ring back, its probably because they found nothing to be wrong and you wonder why the system is lagged, its because of all the false repeat allegations.

I'm speechless (well not quite, was for a nano second). So it's ok to steal from taxpayers because 'we have to pay it anyway'.

Attitude from taxpayers!? What about the attitude of those stealing from the benefits agency. They don't have an attitude?

I take it you don't pay tax. I can see that purely from what your saying.

lottee

Chrysalis wrote:

The problem is people think its ok to go through a fraud investigation if you have done nothing wrong, when in fact there is lots of things wrong with it.

Too many people in this country just thinking of themselves and perhaps might see someone lifting a table who doesnt work and immediatly think fraudster thinking they know it all when they dont know nothing.

How many would report fraud if the law didnt protect your identity?I wouldnt ever report friends even if I was 100% certian they commiting fraud good for them if they getting a better lifestyle out of it.

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Yes I agree, too many people in this country thinking of themselves. :T

If I was sure in my mind, I would report someone for fraud, whether it be benefit fraud or stealing a tv from Tesco, regardless of whether they knew it was me or not. And as above, I don't sit here & think '...who can I report today...?' I haven't actually had the need to report anyone. But give it time...
I am not angry at having to pay tax, nor is my husband, that is life. What I am angry at is the fact that some of us seem to put a lot more in than we ever get back, whilst there 'fraudsters' who sit on the backsides, get it all handed to them. I don't know how they can sleep at night, constantly looking over their shoulder. No thanks. What goes around comes around though.
From your last post, am I to believe you know someone who is cheating the system?

ETA : Hi Kelloggs, hows it goin! The trio meet again!

**purplemoon**

Jo_R wrote:

As for what I'm going to do? I shall speak with them first. There's been a lot of informative and interesting opinions and facts posted on here that have gotten me thinking, and honestly I couldn't just go and shop them without standing up and saying my piece (even if I have been a terrible friend and said it here first. )

I think this is your best course of action rather than just "reporting them" and possibly creating more problems for them.

And before everyone jumps on me for saying this, please hear me out.

A young couple I know were recently in a very similar situation, i.e new baby, about to move into a flat together, mum not currently working and dad earning a low wage (£11k pa) and they were actually considering going down the route of her claiming benefits as a single mum just to make ends meet. Apparently a "friend" had advised them to do this! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I showed them the http://entitledto.com website and helped them to work out exactly what benefits they might be entitled to living together as a couple and it actually worked out that they'd be better off living as a couple, legally, than claiming benefits as a single parent!

They are entitled to WTC/CTC (which they didn't previously know about) plus a small amount of HB/CT and this worked out to be more beneficial financially than mum claiming IS/HB/CT as a single parent, also taking into account the amount he would "lose" to CSA payments, of which she would only receive £10.

Sometimes people just need to be shown the right way to deal with things

angelfire

**purplemoon** wrote:

I think this is your best course of action rather than just "reporting them" and possibly creating more problems for them.

And before everyone jumps on me for saying this, please hear me out.

A young couple I know were recently in a very similar situation, i.e new baby, about to move into a flat together, mum not currently working and dad earning a low wage (£11k pa) and they were actually considering going down the route of her claiming benefits as a single mum just to make ends meet. Apparently a "friend" had advised them to do this! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I showed them the http://entitledto.com website and helped them to work out exactly what benefits they might be entitled to living together as a couple and it actually worked out that they'd be better off living as a couple, legally, than claiming benefits as a single parent!

They are entitled to WTC/CTC (which they didn't previously know about) plus a small amount of HB/CT and this worked out to be more beneficial financially than mum claiming IS/HB/CT as a single parent, also taking into account the amount he would "lose" to CSA payments, of which she would only receive £10.

Sometimes people just need to be shown the right way to deal with things

:T Excellent post

robindunne1

sheryldoc wrote:

I wanst being nasty maybe your jst too sensitive..

And I can assure you I am not commiting any such fraud.. I dont claim any benefits I am at university and not entitled to any so wonder away..

I am going to uni to ensure that I never find myself in a situation where I would feel the need to even consider such actions.

I think benefit fraud is wrong on every level.. my argument was with the way the OP was going about it.

End of day I have my thought you have your OP has theirs.. and we all think we r right so no1 is going to concede here.. and why should they.


( can I also jst mention.. your the taxes we pay dont all go to help peeps on benefits.. Maybe some of you smoke/drink or are overweight and tax payers are paying for your NHS would you be as angry then?)

Subject topics like this will never have everyone agreeing.. and could last forever.

Maybe you may think again after you gruduate you see the £££ coming out of your pay packet to pay off the student loan. (which are not deductible for tax credits purposes)

The fees that you will have to pay every year for tuition and the diminishing level of education you will receive as budgets are strained elsewhere in the public sector.

The DWP has the biggest budget of any government department, and cases like this repeated in household after household throughout the country make it worse for the rest of us.

I would hazard a guess that the billions that are wasted on fraud, fruad investigation and administration together with policies designed to cut fraud would easily wipe out the need for student loans and tuition fees.

peter999

robindunne1 wrote:

I would hazard a guess that the billions that are wasted on fraud, fruad investigation and administration together with policies designed to cut fraud would easily wipe out the need for student loans and tuition fees.

Talk about hot air.
How about trillions or zillions that can be saved.

Where's Fran when we need her to keep the thread on track ??

The OP has already said what they will do.
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