Friends sponging off benefits, so disappointed

lewt

no if's or but's

LondonDiva

peter999 wrote:

Good post, shows the contradictions in this country.

Nice society.
Neighbour turning on neighbour, friend(??) on friend.

The government have done a good job in brainwashing people.

I know :doh: next thing you know, people will expect you to tell off or discourage somebody about to drive over the limit.

Shocking to expect anyone to disapprove a friend stealing ~ we'll just pretend that it's ok and it doesn't matter because it's not mugging anyone, shall we?

LondonDiva

sheryldoc wrote:

She would be applauded if she was actually worrying.. but shes not.. shes not even the womans friend!.. Worrying would mean she would speak to her and her partner.. sit down face to face and speak to them.

I saw the OP as working through her concerns and working out the best way to move forward. She doesn't have to be a friend to be concerned about this, I assume the OP lives in the same borough as the couple in question, so is actually subsidising the fraud. As a tax & rate payer, the couple are probably getting money she could do with herself, even if only £2, it could go in a jar!

sheryldoc wrote:

Everything u said is very true.. and I agree wholeheartedly.. but I do not agree with frind sneaking and grassing friends.. I think that being a friend is all about trust and communication.

How can you really trust or respect someone who's admitted to having no qualms about stealing

I agree that the OP should consider if she could approach the couple first, but it could be too potentially dangerous or difficult to raise the issue - what then? Just let it lie? It's like syaing that because your child is shoplifting and you don't know how to deal with it to just let it continue. A "friend" doen's exempt them from behaving like decent people

sheryldoc wrote:

What her "friend" is doing is out and out wrong.. and must be stopped.. but the OP sitting working out the sums and not even speaking to the other peeps involved is Low and Sneaky

Why is it wrong? The OP has seen that she too could fiddle her circumstances and figures and presto get something she's not entitled to - she can't really know what she thinks if she doesn't take time to consider her circumstances.

advent1122

Grass her up.
The government could do with the extra money to give to all the immigrants swarming into the country.

cifpower

I wonder what would happen if your friend uses this site, reads your post and puts 2+2 together?

If you feel it important enough to post about here surely it is important enough to tell your friends to their faces.

LondonDiva

advent1122 wrote:

Grass her up.
The government could do with the extra money to give to all the immigrants swarming into the country.

Interestin leap

Many immigrants aren't entitled to benefits.

Asylum seekers are on benefits while their case is being decided, because even if they are doctors/engineers/cleaners etc, they are not allowed to legally work


In this instance the fraud / theft is being committed by someone from this country

advent1122

GRASS HER UP....
You may even get a £10 gift voucher from the government to spend in Boots for being a model citizen.

kelloggs36

peter999 wrote:

Good post, shows the contradictions in this country.

Nice society.
Neighbour turning on neighbour, friend(??) on friend.

The government have done a good job in brainwashing people.

Theft is theft end of. Nobody has the right to steal from anybody so the Govenrment are NOT brainwashing anybody - they are pointing out what is going on and they need people to tell them who is committing a fraud in order to at least attempt to stop it. If you would rather pay more taxes to give to people who DON'T deserve them then you go ahead, but I would rather that mine went to those who DO deserve them and if you take the first lot out of the equation, it means less people actually need it hence less taxes paid on such things.

It may seem nasty to grass somebody up, but it isn't right to steal either so if it were my friend, I would grass her up I'm afraid. You may argue that she will suffer and that will lead to suffering of the baby, but I don't buy it. She is quite capable of making the choice of whether to defraud the system or not. She must therefore face the consequences, which will be to pay any overpayment back and have a criminal record. Only in the most serious of cases does anybody get sent down. Most of the time they get let off with a conditional discharge and no costs awarded against them! Yes, I was a fraud investigator.

Chrysalis

Jo_R wrote:

We went to visit a friend today who has a lovely week-old baby girl.

They've just moved into a council house together. Our friend works full-time in a shop, and his girlfriend was working but left her job earlyish in her pregnancy.

I found out from my DP that she is claiming to live alone so she can get her rent paid and various other benefits. Knowing roughly what he earns, out of interest I sat down and worked out how much they've got to play with a month and it's around half of mine and DP's combined income *before* we've paid rent etc. They've just got a new leather sofa paid for in cash for a grand - and yes, I am envious (not of the sofa because it's leather and I'm veggie :eek: )

However I just couldn't do this. I work with people with a learning disability and often have to fight to get their benefits and it's amazing just how easy it can be for other people to claim something that isn't rightfully theirs.

It's just this attitude that I despise, even though they are my friends.

Its much easier to get benefits with children (not suggesting it leads to easy life so please dont crucify me on that anyone), as to qualify you just need to have children and I expect the DWP expect adults with children especially if single parents do have a job to do in bringing up their child, whilst someone who is disabled especially if they have no children is seen as they could work if they put more effort in and some are even called skivers. The amount of benefits paid for a single child seems high as well. I also know a single parent who managed to buy things like leather sofa and wide screen tv for cash payments. There was a women on here who is shocked how she was able to claim benefits on a 33k income and now she has no children living with her on 12.5k she gets nothing, so the government there is effectively saying it costs 20k a year to bring up children which seems very hard to believe.

Politically the disabled are an easy target, its a small part of the population and not much sympathy from the public. They are also not really in a position to organise things such as protests.

Oh sorry and my advice?

I wouldnt shop them because it is possible you may have read the situation wrong and end of the day it will have no impact on your tax income etc. and these people are your freiends, likewise I didnt say anything about the person I knew as it was my friend's girlfriend. (he was sleeping over working full time).

Mrs_Optimist

The way I look at it, those cheating the benefits system are stealing from ME, a tax payer. There are also certain elemnts of this country, for example Carers, who do a fantastic job for a really pathetic amount of money, who could be awarded a lot more if the government cracked down on cheats and redistributed the money saved (ideal world I know) If I had my way the whole system would be overhauled, and the money taken from the workshy and given to those that REALLY need it. I do not object to my taxes helping those less fortunate, but my husband and I can't afford a £1000 leather sofa and we both work - why should we subsidise someone who is cheating the system so that they can have things we can't? I would shop ANYONE I know was defrauding the system and all my friends and family know that too. My conscience is clear. I wonder how many posts on here having a go at the OP are actually on benefits themselves? Or have or are still defrauding the system? Some of the posts have really astounded me.