Tube Drivers are at it again.

chewmylegoff

Cleaver wrote: »

No, I'm quite cheery today. I just find the vitriol for tube drivers on here quite odd. I think they probably get paid way too much. But there are only 3,200 of them, so if they all get, say, £20,000 too much then we're talking about £6.4m in pay every year over and above what they should get. That's £6.4m. And of course, a saving of £6.4m would be nice, but in the grand scheme of things is it worth all this moaning? Every single person's local council, local hospital, local police force and local authority each waste that amount of money every few months.

If I recall correctly the government spends around £6m a year on adverts telling people to turn lights off and their heating down as part of their climate change agenda.

your decimal place has gone wrong.

£64,000,000.

drc

ILW wrote: »

ASLEF this time. Want triple pay for working new years day plus time off in lieu, or a strike.
This will only be more motivation for automating the system.

Turkeys voting for Christmas. The more unpopular these guys become, the easier it will be to introduce driverless trains and cut jobs. I don't think they are doing themselves a favour by having hissy fits every bloody year.

Cleaver

chewmylegoff wrote: »

your decimal place has gone wrong.

£64,000,000.

Thank you. But the the point remains that we're still not talking a massive amount of money in the grand scheme of things. I believe TFL's income is £8bn, so driver wages represents 0.8% (check I have that right someone!) of their revenue. So if wages reduced to £25kish TFL would save around 0.4% of their revenue. Would we see cheaper tickets? No, probably not.

Look, as I said before, £50,000 seems a hell of a lot of money to pay a tube driver. I wouldn't personally deem a tube driver any more 'worthy' than a nurse, teacher, police officer etc. I'm just pointing out that people on here always point out what a waste of taxpayers money it all is, when in actual fact they could all work for free and the difference to the public purse could hardly be measured. I obviously understand to some people it's a simple symbol to get all angry about (I'm looking at you here my horsey friend).

Cleaver

The_White_Horse wrote: »

these people are so vastly overpaid it makes every londoner physically sick.

No it doesn't. When I used to live in London people just have the odd moan, but that's about it. As I've just shown, tube driver pay makes up 0.8% of the price of your ticket. Most people know that it's something like this so there isn't much point in moaning about it. TFL probably spend far, far more each year on consultants telling them how to be LEAN and all that type of stuff.

CLAPTON

Cleaver wrote: »

No it doesn't. When I used to live in London people just have the odd moan, but that's about it. As I've just shown, tube driver pay makes up 0.8% of the price of your ticket. Most people know that it's something like this so there isn't much point in moaning about it. TFL probably spend far, far more each year on consultants telling them how to be LEAN and all that type of stuff.

strange to me


so we could double or threble the pay of MPs as, in the scale of government spending it makes little difference whereas we should cut the pay of rubbish collectors because there is more of them and so on aggrevate they cost more.

seems very fair.

Hoopie1

Cleaver wrote: »

Thank you. But the the point remains that we're still not talking a massive amount of money in the grand scheme of things. I believe TFL's income is £8bn, so driver wages represents 0.8% (check I have that right someone!) of their revenue. So if wages reduced to £25kish TFL would save around 0.4% of their revenue. Would we see cheaper tickets? No, probably not.

Look, as I said before, £50,000 seems a hell of a lot of money to pay a tube driver. I wouldn't personally deem a tube driver any more 'worthy' than a nurse, teacher, police officer etc. I'm just pointing out that people on here always point out what a waste of taxpayers money it all is, when in actual fact they could all work for free and the difference to the public purse could hardly be measured. I obviously understand to some people it's a simple symbol to get all angry about (I'm looking at you here my horsey friend).

I think the issue people have is that they think they are overpaid and every few months either the drivers or the wider population of underground employees chunter about a strike and people feel like the government is being held to ransom.

The_White_Horse

64,000,000 per year - over 20 years is1.2bn in overpayments. never mind pensions on top.

it does make a vast difference. this is typical lefty nonsense to suggest it doesn't. this is not free money. where is that 1.22bn coming from???

BA removed a free mint from each flight. just fractions of a pence. but over the years it saved them millions.

wake up and smell the roses, these drivers are hated, despised filth and, like the miners, have priced themselves out of a job.

ROLL ON DRIVERLESS TRAINS.

i would take the risk of being badly beaten if it meant they were all sacked. lets face it, can you see them helping you????

"help help, i am being attacked"
"sorry, mate, it's my tea break"

and this ACTUALLY HAPPENED in Ilford. a stabbed man asked the staff to call an ambulance and they refused because they were on a break. utter scum. he died by the way.

purch

these drivers are hated, despised filth

So if your next door neighbour decided to change careers and become a Tube driver you would suddenly hate and despise him ? ...... hang about, no doubt you already do, because it's pretty certain he will already belong to one of the thousands of groups you hate and despise anyway.

So far you have managed to blame Bob Crow for this, and now you are blaming the drivers. At the moment this "idea" has come from the Union, the drivers have not even been balloted yet so for all you know they might agree with you.

Not that it would bother you, your mind is already made up.

Dan:_4

The_White_Horse wrote: »

64,000,000 per year - over 20 years is1.2bn in overpayments. never mind pensions on top.

it does make a vast difference. this is typical lefty nonsense to suggest it doesn't. this is not free money. where is that 1.22bn coming from???

BA removed a free mint from each flight. just fractions of a pence. but over the years it saved them millions.

wake up and smell the roses, these drivers are hated, despised filth and, like the miners, have priced themselves out of a job.

ROLL ON DRIVERLESS TRAINS.

i would take the risk of being badly beaten if it meant they were all sacked. lets face it, can you see them helping you????

"help help, i am being attacked"
"sorry, mate, it's my tea break"

and this ACTUALLY HAPPENED in Ilford. a stabbed man asked the staff to call an ambulance and they refused because they were on a break. utter scum. he died by the way.

You need to chill out dude. You cannot change anything and if you carry on like this your either have a mental breakdown or get a kickin from some nutter you mouth in street!

Cleaver

Hoopie1 wrote: »

I think the issue people have is that they think they are overpaid and every few months either the drivers or the wider population of underground employees chunter about a strike and people feel like the government is being held to ransom.

That's a good summary of the situation. Overpaid people who know that striking will get them what they want, but the people in charge know that their wages only make up a very small part of the organisation so they don't really care. The government aren't being 'held to ransom though' in terms of money, as it's a tiny amount. This is simply a PR exercise for everyone as people like The White Horse don't like seeing people who drive trains earning £50k. The actual money amount we're talking about here is peanuts and TFL and the government know that. It's simply PR.