Sold as seen, but buyer wants to return car..

The_Turner

I think the OP needs to do what is comfortable for him. If he believes he has done the right thing then stand his ground and fight the matter. This may either be the legal was or the not so legal. Beware he may just carry out his threats, who knows, we've never met or heard from the buyer.

Mrs_Optimist

Has he paid in cash? What's to say the car hasn't been used for unsavoury use whilst in his care and he now is ridding himself of evidence? I seem to recall a story a few months ago along the same lines, the the buyer hadn't taken an item off the car though, it had been used for criminal activity for a couple of hours, and then the car was returned for a refund and the unsuspecting seller had no idea until the police came a knocking...

bungle4by4

pinkladyof66 wrote: »

op if you knew the car had this fault did you not think of driving it a bit more yourself to try and clear the fault - i would have been worried about selling a car with a fault as I would automatically think he would come back to complain - if I am selling anything i always will ensure that the item is in good working order - i would be scared to think that i could sell on something dodgy

i drove it, and it ran lovely. but it was still in the back of my mind, hence all the discussion with the buyer. i think he was gutted that the fault i was talking about occured.

i was planning on running the car all week as im off, but the guy was that desperate to come and look, i only got the chance to run out and fuel it up. if the fault had reoccured i might well have pulled it from sale until it was sorted.

the buyer knew all about it. im an enthusiast not a dodgy car salesman.

if i had not been totally honest with him about it in person i would have given him his money back, but it was fully and totally disclosed.

poppasmurf_bewdley

The thing is that if the purchaser had wanted all the protection he seems to expect, he should have gone to a dealer and paid dealer price and would have got a warranty.

He didn't. He thought he would get a bargain and came unstuck. The seller has nothing to worry about. Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware.

If it went to court, it would come down to one person's word against another. And it will cost the buyer a few hundred to get the case to court and even if he won it would cost him even more money to get paid if the seller decided to be 'difficult'. But I don't think he would win!

pinkladyof66

bungle4by4 wrote: »

i drove it, and it ran lovely. but it was still in the back of my mind, hence all the discussion with the buyer. i think he was gutted that the fault i was talking about occured.

i was planning on running the car all week as im off, but the guy was that desperate to come and look, i only got the chance to run out and fuel it up. if the fault had reoccured i might well have pulled it from sale until it was sorted.

the buyer knew all about it. im an enthusiast not a dodgy car salesman.

if i had not been totally honest with him about it in person i would have given him his money back, but it was fully and totally disclosed.

I understand what you are saying but to be honest I wouldn't have listed the item or tried to sell it until the problem with the vehicle was sorted - (my opinion I know) the man might have been desperate to buy the vehicle but that does not show in that he has just left the vehicle outside your house - (seems rather odd if he wanted a quick buy) i would personally find out how much it would cost to repair the fault and come to some agreement with buyer - i can imagine otherwise the buyer might hound you somewhat until you give him what he wants

The_Turner

poppasmurf_bewdley wrote: »

The thing is that if the purchaser had wanted all the protection he seems to expect, he should have gone to a dealer and paid dealer price and would ahve got a warranty.

He didn't. He thought he would get a bargain and came unstuck. The seller has nothing to worry about. Caveat Emptor - Let the buyer beware.

If it went to court, it would come down to one person's word against another. And it will cost the buyer a few hundred to get the case to court and even if he won it would cost him even more money to get paid if the seller decided to be 'difficult'.

Not for small claims.

Thing is reading the ad on the balance of probability may lie with the buyer.

bungle4by4

pinkladyof66 wrote: »

I understand what you are saying but to be honest I wouldn't have listed the item or tried to sell it until the problem with the vehicle was sorted - (my opinion I know) the man might have been desperate to buy the vehicle but that does not show in that he has just left the vehicle outside your house - (seems rather odd if he wanted a quick buy) i would personally find out how much it would cost to repair the fault and come to some agreement with buyer - i can imagine otherwise the buyer might hound you somewhat until you give him what he wants

im going to speak to the firm who rebuilt the gearbox tomorrow and see what they have to say, after all its a complex part and they understand it a lot better than me.

the buyer has not been in touch since they drove off..

KTF

What wording was used on the invoice you gave him - I assume you gave him an invoice? If it was me I would stand my ground for a while to see how it pans out after a week or so.

Assuming the buyer has the V5 and the keys then it being outside your house it pointless as you cant move it nor resell it without the V5.

What is he going to do, sit outside your house and wait for you to leave/arrive every day forever and hastle you for the money every time? If he does then a call to the Police will soon put a stop to that.

The_Turner

KTF wrote: »

What wording was used on the invoice you gave him - I assume you gave him an invoice? If it was me I would stand my ground for a while to see how it pans out after a week or so.

Assuming the buyer has the V5 and the keys then it being outside your house it pointless as you cant move it nor resell it without the V5.

What is he going to do, sit outside your house and wait for you to leave/arrive every day forever and hastle you for the money every time? If he does then a call to the Police will soon put a stop to that.

I've asked twice.

bungle4by4

wording on the invoice was sold as seen. the reg and the price. and paid in full.

when the buyer rang, i did say to him then that the car was sold as seen, as written on the invoice, all he had to say was that he didn't sign anything... but he did give me a lot of pictures of the queen