E-Petition on overcrowding hits 100K

olly300

Wheezy wrote: »

Pull out of the EU and do what? Refuse entry to EU nationals?
Will that work both ways?
What's to stop Spain from kicking their 800K UK expats out? That will do wonders for the demographic pyramid here.

Don't forget all those in France...

Oh and I (and quite a few others) would find it more difficult to go and work in the EU every now and again, and spend most of our money here.

If we stated you had to be resident for 5 years (in fact even 3 years would be enough) before you could claim out of work benefits we would get rid of some claimants.

Though I doubt it would effect immigration that much as lots of people I know and met from abroad only come here to work, and that includes the children who have parents that are British passport holders who were former residents who live abroad. If they can't work then they manage to go home.

Graham_Devon

howee wrote: »

The only easy answer is to close the welcome to Britain door and to do that we need our own border control back.

There are other answers, and I heard a strong argument for the NHS being privatised based on this, as it's getting absolutely hammered to the point of being unsustainable.

At the moment, people actively come here to use our health system, amongst other things, such as giving them child benefit to send home, it's ridiculous. One doctor I know stated the child benefit alone is worth 2 days work in Poland...and thats a GPs wages. Anyway, I digress...

If the NHS was privatised, and I know there are VERY strong arguments against this, but I'm particularly talking on topic here, it would disinsentivise so many people from oming here to have babies, coming here for "education", coming here to work. It's one of the largest factors.

Weve also got our own born and bred ripping us off. My own family come back, get their health check, get their teeth done etc and then they swan back to France. I know they have paid taxes all their lives and worked for it, but they also made the choice to leave this system and move to another country. With that, IMO, paying into the other countries systems should go hand in hand. But we say no, we let them walk all over us.

Privatised systems and less overall benefits would make a huge difference. We wouldn't need to shut our doors if the incentive wasn't so huge compared to our closest EU neighbours, who would (have, and do) send them packing if they didn't want to pay up. A pension for doing absolutely nothing? Health care for doing abslutely nothing? Winter payments to keep you warm? Solar panels to reduce your fuel bills? Bloody lovely compared to their own countries.

The birth rate issue is a real problem. I've personally known polish people to come here and work damn hard. For a few months. Before you know it, they are pregnant and "part of the community", which in other words means as they are pregnant, a house, housing benefit, the shebang (so I'm led to believe). Some then sit back. It's certainly talked about amongst the polish as an easy way in if you can work hard for a few months...and I only know this as I work with some polish people.

People will tell you this doesnt happen, but it does, as these people don;t go to work and push buggies around right under my nose. So it DOES happen.

sheffield_lad

Wheezy wrote: »

Pull out of the EU and do what? Refuse entry to EU nationals?
Will that work both ways?
What's to stop Spain from kicking their 800K UK expats out? That will do wonders for the demographic pyramid here.

Errr no how about allowing some EU nationals in you know the one's who may have a skill we are short of and don't need the benefit gang to spoon feed them as soon as they step off the plane.

There is a need for immigration and I accept we emigrate too but come on would any other country not take matters in their own hands if they were to be the most populated country in Europe?

Its the fact we are running out of room/roads & houses. Not a complete ban lol

Butterfly_Brain

We have a Turkish friend and he said that if Turkey gets into the EU they will be lining up to get here because of free health care and benefits .
A lot of the Eastern european countries such as Bulgaria, Romania etc are very poor and they have the same idea.

The trouble is that Europe has grown too large, when we joined it was only 8 countries and now I think it is 27 countries
Another route in is from Commonwealth countries.

How can they be allowed housing, free health care, and benefits when they have never paid a penny into the system?

Politicians are either too blind or too scared to do anything about it

leveller2911

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

How can they be allowed housing, free health care, and benefits when they have never paid a penny into the system?

Politicians are either too blind or too scared to do anything about it

The rules changed a few months ago which allow any EU citizen to be eligable for Housing benefit as long as they can show 3 months wage slips as long as they register for work, previously it was 12 months.

A good friend of mine works in a benefits office in Kent and she tells me every single week there are at least a couple of dozen EU citizens (mainly Lithuanians) turning up and claiming housing benefit.

Another example is tempory workers who do fruit picking and casual labour.They come to the country work for 3 months ,put a claim in for child benefit ,then return back to their home country and the Child benefit is paid directly into their bank accounts in their home country even though their children are living in Europe.

Its a disgrace and it shows how we are controlled by Brussels and not London.

I'm not a Little Englander, I have friends who are from Belgium and Germany and they all say that the majority of people in Belgium and Germany didn't want the EU in its current form.I'm all for free trade but those who say we can't survive if we withdrew are scaremongering.

Going4TheDream

leveller2911 wrote: »

The rules changed a few months ago which allow any EU citizen to be eligable for Housing benefit as long as they can show 3 months wage slips as long as they register for work, previously it was 12 months.

A good friend of mine works in a benefits office in Kent and she tells me every single week there are at least a couple of dozen EU citizens (mainly Lithuanians) turning up and claiming housing benefit.

Another example is tempory workers who do fruit picking and casual labour.They come to the country work for 3 months ,put a claim in for child benefit ,then return back to their home country and the Child benefit is paid directly into their bank accounts in their home country even though their children are living in Europe.

Its a disgrace and it shows how we are controlled by Brussels and not London.

I'm not a Little Englander, I have friends who are from Belgium and Germany and they all say that the majority of people in Belgium and Germany didn't want the EU in its current form.I'm all for free trade but those who say we can't survive if we withdrew are scaremongering.

I agree, I used to work regularly in Belgium in our HO where there were many many Europeans from all different countries. They all bemoaned the Euro and said how expensive everything had become and said they hated the interference from Brussels and immigration.

It is simply not true when Euro bureaucrats tell us that everyone loves Eurozone and that we are the outsiders for openly saying we dislike it. I am sure those countries who have benefited most from it love it, naturally, but there are a large (and probably growing) number of people who dont

Koicarp

Graham_Devon wrote: »

My own family come back, get their health check, get their teeth done etc and then they swan back to France. I know they have paid taxes all their lives and worked for it, but they also made the choice to leave this system and move to another country. With that, IMO, paying into the other countries systems should go hand in hand. But we say no, we let them walk all over us.

New rules on charging came into force in august. Unless you're relatives qualify as "ordinarily resident" they don't qualify for free NHS healthcare- whether or not they have "paid in".

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/documents/digitalasset/dh_128970.pdf

sheffield_lad

Koicarp wrote: »

New rules on charging came into force in august. Unless you're relatives qualify as "ordinarily resident" they don't qualify for free NHS healthcare- whether or not they have "paid in".

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/groups/dh_digitalassets/documents/digitalasset/dh_128970.pdf

lol, yep that sounds about right, stop the bloke who has paid into the system from benefiting but allow anyone else to come and claim the lot.

nomoreboomandbust

lostinrates

Going4TheDream wrote: »

I agree, I used to work regularly in Belgium in our HO where there were many many Europeans from all different countries. They all bemoaned the Euro and said how expensive everything had become and said they hated the interference from Brussels and immigration.

It is simply not true when Euro bureaucrats tell us that everyone loves Eurozone and that we are the outsiders for openly saying we dislike it. I am sure those countries who have benefited most from it love it, naturally, but there are a large (and probably growing) number of people who dont

on the plus side, when I was in Brussels a couple of weeks ago I did a small shop and was pleasantly surprised with prices, especially considering it was a small city centre supermarket. I thought it was great actually, and wish my local mini supermarket compared for price and range!