E-Petition on overcrowding hits 100K

kabayiri

Olly, you make good points, but I suspect we are being inconsistent.

Those who openly proclaim that they choose Poles or other economic migrants because they are harder working/better educated are also likely to be the same people who decry the level of our population who are unemployed/claiming other benefits. It all seems a bit hypocritical.

It's not just construction. In the mid 90s I had to utilise Indian IT resource for a company. The standard day rate was about 150 to 170. Move forward just a decade to the mid noughties, and the daily IT rate for similar Indian IT professionals (different company; same industry) was over 400 a day. This was the price we had to work to; it wasn't negotiable.

Looking back it seems almost naive to have expected the rate to remain constant. Once you can monopolize a particular sector with your Labour you can start to dictate your rates of pay. That is business.

zagubov

Overcrowding? How come before the cold war ended ,West Germany was the same size as the UK , had about 6 milion more people, bigger accommodation bigger cars, wider roads, cities with cycle lanes and tram lanes, industrial estates and military bases that stretched for miles, huge leisure facilities, endless small hamlets and forest making up a third of the country. :cool:

Noone ever complained it was crowded there. we have far more bedrooms (most of them doubles) than people.

This whole petitions based on a faulty premise

Get to your library or bookshop and read some Danny Dorling!
This isn't an overcrowded country!

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Overcrowding? How come before the cold war ended ,West Germany was the same size as the UK , had about 6 milion more people, bigger accommodation bigger cars, wider roads, cities with cycle lanes and tram lanes, industrial estates and military bases that stretched for miles, huge leisure facilities, endless small hamlets and forest making up a third of the country. :cool:

Noone ever complained it was crowded there. we have far more bedrooms (most of them doubles) than people.

This whole petitions based on a faulty premise

I believe as early as 1938/9 some of the Germans were dis-satisfied with the overcrowding here.

lostinrates

CLAPTON wrote: »

I believe as early as 1938/9 some of the Germans were dis-satisfied with the overcrowding here.

Indeed... I thought lebensraum was a major part of Hitler's ideas, and though I certainly do not agree with a single action taken and I stress that emphatically because people do like to react hysterically on this forum and I am not suggesting any Nazi policy was ideal or enacted in any way justifyably.... but I understand why the idea was popular with people in Germany initially. (space that is, not how they tried to get it) Some of us like to have space where we can have total peace, quiet and dark skies, where food can be produced with sensitivity to the environment and the other species we share the spaces with, and where people have space to roam and work and live without annoying each other too much ...but that doesn't mean we want others to do with less or be massacred to see this end. Looking at immigration and population and accepting that for some generation somewhere along the line there are going to be serious financial implications to the population questions and answers...world wide, not here...but I'd hate to see totally closed borders, just more controlled ones. Multiculturalism in Britain is something I value.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

I believe as early as 1938/9 some of the Germans were dis-satisfied with the overcrowding here.

Fact is West Germany's much-reduced land area met its huge population's needs much better than the Germany of 1939. Much of the German population was squeezed into a smaller land area but gained a much better standard of living that way.

The RAND organisation out together a plan to integrate a returning refugee population to Palestine in a sustainable way.

6.6 million in a an area of about 6000 sq km (or 2000 sq miles).

Over three times the pop density of England, let alone the UK. And still have separate cities , farmland, recreational land, nature reserves, good transport links.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9119/index1.html

That's using land sensibly. Britain's not crowded. Is it well-organised and put together, the way many other countrries are or could be? In your dreams!

Much modern immigration isn't directed at congested cities but
much more widely dispersed across the country, to areas with depressed housing prices.

Overcrowding's not actually happening (unless you read certain propaganda rags).:A

leveller2911

zagubov wrote: »

Much modern immigration isn't directed at congested cities but
much more widely dispersed across the country, to areas with depressed housing prices.

Overcrowding's not actually happening (unless you read certain propaganda rags).:A

Any factual evidence to back the statement up? I only ask because facts point to London and the South east and being where 50.3% of all immigrants settle and in recent years the vast majority of immigrants have settled in these areas and the East Midlands around Peterborogh etc.

Quote from Oxford university:"The share of recent migrants in the population varies from 1.3% in the ‘Rest of North East’ to 8.5% in Outer London and 9.2% in Inner London".

Seems your reading the wrong newspapers.......;) Reading "rags" is one thing actually believing them is another .

A._Badger

zagubov wrote: »

Overcrowding's not actually happening (unless you read certain propaganda rags).:A

"Propaganda rags" = any newspaper whose opinion differs from mine.