Osborne looks to slash benefits bill

ILW

I believe the ADHD argument has been muddied due to many bad parents using it as an excuse for their own failings.

sjaypink

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Whats the point.......

Stop biting

OptionARMAGEDDON

SingleSue wrote: »

Also, it is far harder to keep to or make that decision when the baby is growing in the tummy, a multitiude of other emotions come into play.

Thats why you make your decision even before you get pregnant. I accept there are a multitude of disabilities that can happen without detection, but the vast majority of serious lifechanging ones are detectible.

Emy1501

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

Thats why you make your decision even before you get pregnant. I accept there are a multitude of disabilities that can happen without detection, but the vast majority of serious lifechanging ones are detectible.

Really? Thats funny as few if any of childrens at my wifes schools serious disabilities would have been picked before birth and they take most of the seriously disabled children in the County. In reality only Downs is really tested for unless the parents are known to be carriers of something which few are. Also alot of problems are caused by complications at birth.

Emy1501

ILW wrote: »

I believe the ADHD argument has been muddied due to many bad parents using it as an excuse for their own failings.

Its been muddied by non professionals mainly middle classed parents believing that any child with mental health issues who looks normal problems are down to bad parents. As I said before this is no different to Autism in the 60's and 70's.

In reality there are always going to be people who try to play any system but picking on children who have been born with conditions which mean in many cases they will never lead an independent life is pretty low.

Despite the comments made in the Daily Mail and elsewhere I'm yet to see any evidence to support that parents of children with ASD/ADHD get cars when they are not entitled to them and deserve them to allow their child to lead a better quality of life.

SingleSue

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

Thats why you make your decision even before you get pregnant. I accept there are a multitude of disabilities that can happen without detection, but the vast majority of serious lifechanging ones are detectible.

But as I said, when it actually comes to it, no matter what decision you have made prior to the pregnancy commencing, it is a whole different kettle of fish when you are actually pregnant.

OptionARMAGEDDON

Nope, not in our case its not.

Jennifer_Jane

ILW wrote: »

Fair enough, the sublety went right over my head.

And completely over mine.

But re the chances I took - as a Baby Boomer, I failed the 11+ so went to a secondary modern (a very good one as it happens, but no chance of university, free or otherwise). My father died when I was 18 after a long illness, and no grants. I do have two professional, 3-year, diplomas that I took (paid for and done whilst doing full-time and responsible jobs) to improve my career prospects.

I've had some interesting jobs in my time, including management ones. But when I returned to the UK 13 years ago, no-one was interested in overseas experience and I fell back on my typing skills!

Overall, however, I have not benefitted from the standard education that most children seem to expect these days, and part of the reason for that was that women were not given the same opportunities as men. My brother went to the local posh public school (in fact we moved to the town for him to go there), and as I said I went to the local sec.mod. We both failed the 11+. It was just that I was a girl. I did eventually 'live the dream' - but it was harder for me than for my brother.

The Baby Boomers have been responsible for equal employment rights, labour laws, women's rights, black equality rights, abortion rights. All of which help today's parents (their children), and the next generation to live their dream rather more easily.

There is a poster up by Crewe station advertising the latest shiny new BMW for mobility. I really feel for people who have disabled children, and I see the care and love their carers have for these children when I go swimming, and how difficult it must be to look after them - but a new BMW? If I've got this wrong, then, of course, I apologise. Put me right!

SingleSue

I think for something like a BMW, they would have to pay a pretty stonky advance payment to make up the difference to a bog standard car.

But, never having had the cause to look properly, I could be wrong on that!

Edit just had a look, for a 1 series 3 door, you need to pay an advance payment of from £1549. The amounts are ever increasing right up to an X3 from £9499. The final advance figure needed to be paid could well work out more than this.

So to get the posher cars, you need to put your own money in to make up the difference.

Prudent

Emy1501 wrote: »

Really? Thats funny as few if any of childrens at my wifes schools serious disabilities would have been picked before birth and they take most of the seriously disabled children in the County. In reality only Downs is really tested for unless the parents are known to be carriers of something which few are. Also alot of problems are caused by complications at birth.

Agreed. I teach children with complex special needs. Most of the parents expect to have a normal child. Often they go through a phase of denial and or grief. I have been in review meetings for children aged 10+ and realised that the parents still haven't been able to fully acknowledge or accept the disability. Some people have drawn the analogy that it is like looking forward to going on a luxury holiday of a lifetime and then suddenly finding you are in Pontins.