Osborne looks to slash benefits bill

Ilya_Ilyich

More squabbling and class treason as the transfer of our wealth to the wealthy continues. Delightful.

OptionARMAGEDDON

grizzly1911 wrote: »

Whats the point.......

Thats why my wife and I had the discussion.

RenovationMan

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

RenovationMan wrote: »

You can, you can work for several years in industry to build up your experience and salary. If you apply yourself and work hard and work long hours you'll hopefully be able to progress in your chosen career and be able to afford the cost of a new car each year via one of the leasing HP schemes operated by most car dealers. You might even reach the point where you earn enough to have a new car every 3 years and have children too. If you manage that, please tell me how .

Everything is in your own hands. What's stopping you if this is your dream?

I'm 65 .

Well in that case, you're a baby boomer and according to many on this board you have had even more opportunities and chances for advancement than my able bodied generation and the one behind mine, let alone than someone who is disabled.

If you have not made the best of the opportunities given you as an able bodied boomer, then I don't see how you can then complain about the few advantages offered to help disabled people. Your free University education alone would buy several new cars.

Everything was in your hands, nothing stopped you from living your dream.

ILW

RenovationMan wrote: »

Well in that case, you're a baby boomer and according to many on this board you have had even more opportunities and chances for advancement than my able bodied generation and the one behind mine, let alone than someone who is disabled.

If you have not made the best of the opportunities given you as an able bodied boomer, then I don't see how you can then complain about the few advantages offered to help disabled people. Your free University education alone would buy several new cars.

Everything was in your hands, nothing stopped you from living your dream.

Here we go again, the vast majority of boomers did not have a free university education. It was only available to a small elite.

Graham_Devon

dori2o wrote: »

People like you are going to get whats coming to them eventually, and when it does, I hope it's long and painful

Why are you abhorred that anyone could be nasty to anyone else?

It seems, other than your twisting, no one is actually suggesting the disabled should suffer any more or any less than anyone else. But you are intent on twisting anything said into an argument that people on this forum want to see disabled suffer and it's disgusting, you are ashamed etc.

You then hope for pain and long term misery on other posters.

What's your issue? The people you abhor so much seem to be "created" by your twisting, and then you turn into that person you hate so much yourself.

RenovationMan

ILW wrote: »

Here we go again, the vast majority of boomers did not have a free university education. It was only available to a small elite.

I know, I was using unfounded rhetoric that impacted jennifer to try and demonstrate how little it resembles reality, in the hope that she can see how the same unfounded rhetoric can be appied to a different target.

It's very difficult to defend one position where you feel that a section of society (boomers) are being unfairly accused of 'special treatment' because of hysterical reports in the press and outright falsehoods and prejudices, while simultaneously accusing another section of society (disabled people) of receiving special treatment because you read hysterical reports in the press and outright falsehoods and prejudices.

RenovationMan

Oh dear, here comes graham to get involved in someone else's argument. It was a really good thread while it lasted.

RenovationMan

OptionARMAGEDDON wrote: »

Thats why my wife and I had the discussion.

Did you discuss what you would do if you had a disabled child despite all these tests? They are not foolproof and certain tests carry a risk to the foetus such as amniocentesis that carries between a 1 in 100 and 1 in 200 change of miscarriage. There is a 1 in 150 chance of having a child with a Chromosome abnormality. So you have virtually the same chance of killing a healthy foetus by having a test as actually having a child with a chromosome problem, so it's not a test you enter into lightly.

As someone else has already said, many birth defects are not detectable in a foetus, so to a certain extent you have to take pot luck and the odds are good that your luck holds.

What if your luck doesn't? What will you do then?

SingleSue

We didn't know we had children with disabilities until after they were born..in eldest's case, we didn't know he had a disability until he was 15 (kept being told that he had growing pains and only convinced them he needed to be referred up when he showed the doctor how he could dislocate his shoulders by shrugging)

With middle son, he received some of his problems during delivery and late pregnancy.

Also, it is far harder to keep to or make that decision when the baby is growing in the tummy, a multitiude of other emotions come into play.

ILW

RenovationMan wrote: »

I know, I was using unfounded rhetoric that impacted jennifer to try and demonstrate how little it resembles reality, in the hope that she can see how the same unfounded rhetoric can be appied to a different target.

It's very difficult to defend one position where you feel that a section of society (boomers) are being unfairly accused of 'special treatment' because of hysterical reports in the press and outright falsehoods and prejudices, while simultaneously accusing another section of society (disabled people) of receiving special treatment because you read hysterical reports in the press and outright falsehoods and prejudices.

Fair enough, the sublety went right over my head.